2/5/10 Line Check
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2/5/10 Line Check
Hey guys, one of my first posts on here. Sorry if it’s in the wrong thread or something similar, looking for a line check, specifically on flop, from a hand I played recently. The game is a 2-5-10 with the $10 being a floating rock based on who won the previous pot, this hand the rock is utg and acts as a straddle.
Blinds: $2.00/$5.00/$10.00 (9 Players)
CO: $1100
BN: $4100 (Hero)
SB: $3800
BB: $4000
UTG: $6000
UTG+1: $2800
MP: $3000
MP+1: $900
HJ: $1200
Preflop
($20.00) Hero is BN with AhAcQhQs
UTG+1 calls $10.00, utg+ 2 calls $10.00, Hero raises to $60.00, BB raises to $215.00, UTG calls $215.00, UTG+1 calls $215.00, UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to $1,090.00, BB calls $1,090, UTG calls $1,090, UTG +1 folds.
Flop
($3,500.00) 3c3h8c
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1,200.
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just rip it in on the flop
agree. only two 3's in the deck or 88xx beat you. so few combo's. this is one of those spots you'd like to run a million times over the course of a lifetime. RIP IT.
Gents, this isn’t a question about being afraid of being beat. This is a question of balance and bet sizing when we look at the entirety of range and the Ac blocker to the nfd. I am not attempting to blow players off their minimal equity, either we are behind or they have 7-9 outs. The question is how do we maximize with a hand at the top of our range, not how to pot without thinking about value to be obtained
Fair point... and in a 4 bet pot with effective SPR of 1.125 on the flop against two opponents the relevance of this point is somewhat reduced imo.
The likely hands hero beats that calls any bet irrespective of sizing is KKxx w fd or KQJT w fd or AxKcJcJx or 9TJQ/89TJ with fd or similar. Perhaps with bdfd (that hero crushes) so I understand consideration of a smaller bet sizing to extract max however I think it can lead to some turns that makes hero beat/gives villain +ev spots to call a shove. Villain may still factor all this in when considering a larger bet and has -ev.
The smaller size bet may be read as AA with nfd that gets KK w fd to fold while the larger size may be read as AA without fd. The larger bet may actually get KK w fd to call more often than the smaller bet.
Fd only has 7 outs (excl Ac/Qc). So again smaller bet size has some merit. Maybe you extract $1,200 on some occasions but not the full $4100. However, if the fd comes in on turn its terrible scenario, unless Qc, and you have only 4 river outs, calling $2,900 if led into is nearly always a mistake here w 2 opponents. If checked to I think its a bad bluff shove because I can only see villain calling with a fl d on flop and therefore not folding when hits.
Is leading $1,200 and folding to x/r an option? Thats awkward. Could be KKxx with fd (or one of the other hands mentioned above). If $1,200 called and the turn is a 7,9,T,J opponent may have combo draw... which has odds to call a turn shove of $2,900 (into $5,700). If 8 repeats 89TJ w fd gets there. The smaller bet could lead to many awkward/-ev spots so charging max for fl draw on flop has a lot of merit against two opponents imo.
Overall, the smaller size can lead to trouble/-ev spots on turn and I don't think the smaller bet gets called much more often than the bigger bet... the bigger size (i) protects hand many more times than runs into a 3/88 (those unlikely scenario's are largely offset by hero having 4 outs + bdfd) and (ii) charge max for fl draw that has only 7 outs (and perhaps two K's).
hero actually has six outs against a turned flush
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