200bb stacks. 4th nuts OTR vs shove

Posted by

Posted by posted in Low Stakes

200bb stacks. 4th nuts OTR vs shove

BN: 41.85
SB: 49.92
BB: 8.80
UTG: 25
HJ: 14.05
CO: 77.28 (Hero)
Preflop (0.35) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 7 8 8 9
UTG folds, HJ calls 0.25, Hero calls 0.25, BN raises to 1, SB folds, BB folds, HJ calls 0.75, Hero calls 0.75
Flop (3.35) 8 3 T (3 Players)
HJ checks, Hero checks, BN bets 1.75, HJ folds, Hero raises to 4.75, BN calls 3
Turn (12.85) 8 3 T A (2 Players)
Hero checks, BN checks
River (12.85) 8 3 T A 2 (2 Players)
Hero bets 9.34, BN raises to 36.10, and is all in

BTN 58\9 aggr 21\19\21. wtsd 40%, cbet 25%


only reason I see now why did not raise pre is HJ - 100\80, sb 78\44, so 4way almost guaranteed...decided to overlimp, still not sure if its right.

turn is just fail. cant tell even what my plan was.still his checkback gives us info - no Aces for BTN

its 45xx which is rare with his pre range or we're ahead, right?but he's seems to be so damn passive..timing before shove around 7-8seconds.


11 Comments

Loading 11 Comments...

jonna102 11 years, 9 months ago

Turn needs to be a bet, no question about that.

On the river... yes, 45xx looks unlikely.  But also... him bluffing here seems just as unlikely, it's just not a very common spot for people to bluff.  He's also not value raising two pair hands.  He *could* raise 22 I guess, but even that is not certain.  Some players get trixy with something like TT here too even though it's retarded.

So, it sucks obviously, but you can't call the river raise.  It's not even close in my opinion.

WM2K 11 years, 9 months ago

Not shoving the turn is mind boggling and tragic. Thats the street that needs your attention. OTR ya idk its weird but I think I can agree with jonna.

Also is the limp a good play? Seems a bit loose to me esp as those mid pairs arent so hot in this 4 card hold em game. I think I d either fold and maybe play to isolate the limper with a raise if the rest of the table lets me do so enough.

nurmix 11 years, 9 months ago

X-raising flop sucks. There are not that many good turn cards for you, and even if you get one  villian still may call ott with SPR that deep and pwn you otr.

I prefer donk-shove flop, or x-c flop and x-shove turn against agressive players.


IbexTiller 11 years, 9 months ago

Ugh I am a moth to a flame with this hand. Feels so gross to fold this in the CO but I think folding is fine. 

Pre - I'd probably raise here to be honest. Unlikely to get 3b adn we'll have position on most players except BTN if he calls.

Flop check raise needs to be about 4x/pot if he's bad.

I think checking turn is good if V stabs a lot when checked to so we can check raise/gii and not have to worry about navigating quite a lot of gross rivers.

I also like check call flop check raise turn if we think V is barreling turn too much and we are 100bb deep but a lot of of turn cards kill our action and we are deep with a fish and should be trying to get as much money in as possible on flop.

As played I'm snap calling River. Only hand he reps is  45 with clubs and I think there are enough bluffs (every draw missed flop) and worse value hands in V range here given you check back turn and in his eyes CAP your range. 

If he runner runner 45 then gg but folding is a mistake imo.



JimmyGlass 11 years, 9 months ago

9Jdiamonds as far as i remember. i called, but probably tilty call and not dont think its really profitable. V reps extremely narrow but he would have it too often...probably its close

nurmix 11 years, 9 months ago

I do agree that calling river is the play. We did show weakness with turn check, so villian could easily put us on some kind of weak pairs along with missed draw.

JimmyGlass 11 years, 9 months ago

yeap, one thing - he is extremely passive and these guys dont try to analyze anyones line. 

still, what you've just said was my main argument for calling, along w\ sizing which won't be that big with nuts too often..

IbexTiller 11 years, 9 months ago

He's actually not THAT passive post but the fact that he is 58/9 makes this an easier call b/c a good player knows this isn't the best spot to bluff unless he puts you on a range of pure bluffs


Tom Coldwell 11 years, 9 months ago

I would have isolated from the CO w/ this hand. Overlimping is kinda awful imo as we don't wanna play multi-way, but getting HU versus a guy who appears passive/bad (limped HJ and has a 60bb stack) is pretty excellent. I really don't view this as particularly close.

Be the first to add a comment

Runitonce.com uses cookies to give you the best experience. Learn more about our Cookie Policy