1/2 Zoom 6max Turn and River Decision

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1/2 Zoom 6max Turn and River Decision

BN: $155.78
SB: $125.92
BB: $440.42 (Hero)
UTG: $183.78
HJ: $239.07
CO: $328.11
Preflop ($3.00) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 6 4 7 5
UTG folds, HJ raises to $4, CO calls $4, BN folds, SB folds, Hero calls $2
Flop ($13.00) 3 4 K (3 Players)
Hero bets $8, HJ calls $8, CO calls $8
Turn ($37.00) 3 4 K K (3 Players)
Hero bets $26, HJ folds, CO calls $26
River ($89.00) 3 4 K K 6 (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks
Final Pot
Hero has 6 4 7 5 Hero wins $86.20
Reads- none, other than assuming opener could be rec. player because of sizing and that co was most likely a regular. This is Zoom btw.
Pre- fine right?
Flop- seemed like a good hand to lead, I have good equity when called, can call a raise?, seems better than x/c or x/r.
Turn- IDK. Seems like bet > x/f > x/c > x/r. That is how I looked at it anyways. What do you think?
River- Think value bet does get called by worse a decent amount, but thought that I could comfortably x/f, as I think people would be turning Kxxx into bluff very very infrequently.
Also worth noting I have a 6 and 4 in my hand to block random boats.

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djnef01 11 years, 11 months ago
I might be a lagtard but I 3bet this hand even from the BB a pretty good % of the time.

As played, Flop lead is good but I hate your sizing on flop and turn. When you lead flop, you're repping strength. Bet strong. As far as your turn bet, you're repping a lot of strength and you need to have the correct plan. Bet the turn stronger with the intention of folding to a raise and if just called on turn villain basically has a range of kxxx ONLY. underfulls will raise this turn a large % of the time as will the miniscule amount of K3/K4 combos that villain has only a small % of the time.

When you bet the turn here you need to understand that the times you do bink the river it's like 95% that you have the best hand and you need to valuebet accordingly. Underfulls would've raised you on the turn and there are almost NO K6,k4,k3 combos that villain will take this line with. Bet river strong also, you're going to get value out of pretty much any Kxxx combo that villain has here.
sted9000 11 years, 11 months ago
Interesting thought about the sizing. I think I agree with you against weaker and unknown/regish opponents (like my assumptions for this hand) bigger sizing on flop and turn would have been far better than what I chose ( in order to get them to fold the hands that I want them to fold). I do however feel that against better hand reading/analytically thinking opponents larger bet sizing would not accomplish much of anything, as my line is polarizing in and of itself. Do you agree?
River- ya I agree not many boats at all. I don't how often I get called by worse from random regs tho. Maybe small bet to get all non boat Kxxx hand to call (again assuming he will never turn Kxxx into bluff)
OnceItRun 11 years, 11 months ago
I don't like leading or leading so small into 2 people - you are either not getting enough value with your value leading range or not getting enough folds with your bluffing range. If you decide to lead this turn, I prefer leading river as well...it is quite likely villain will check back weaker Kx and will not always valuebet naked AK, which you should get value from by betting.

This said I consider c/r a much better option, you get folds from so many random stabs and you can stand a 3bet as well.
GameTheory 11 years, 11 months ago
Pot on the flop this deep with your pair+nutwrap.
Turn barrel is fine, you have enough equity to continue with wrap on rainbow board.
River bet 40% pot, he does not often have K4 since he wants to raise that hand to protect against you hitting your kicker if you hold Kxxx. You also hold blockers for 44/K4/K6. I would like a x/f more on a 2 river, since it is a more obvious straightdraw that hits and you don't block K2.

And fold both on the turn and on the river if you get raised.
bogglor 11 years, 11 months ago
After you don't get raised on the turn, river is a mandatory value bet. You're looking to extract value from a bare K, which is his most likely holding. To not do so is almost criminal. You can still fold to a raise on the river given the stack sizes.
Philly 11 years, 11 months ago
About the sizing i agree with GameTheory more than with djnef... Our riverrange is pretty faceup strong. Mostly we have some good AK,FH underfulls and sometimes a str8. If we bet big here we wont get many calls from bare Kx. Mostly people will either raise with the nuts or fold to our bet. Villains range isnt really unelastic as our range is superpolarized - imo he will be more tempted to call smaller bets with weaker hands than big bets.

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