10PLO: Calling a 4bet oop then open shoving flop, acceptable?
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10PLO: Calling a 4bet oop then open shoving flop, acceptable?
Poker Stars $10.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players -
BB: $10.00
UTG: $28.74
Hero (CO): $10.08
BTN: $10.00
SB: $6.89
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q
T
5 J
UTG raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.05, BTN raises to $3.60, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.55
Flop: ($7.65) Q
T 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.48
Villain is a TAG (21/13 with a 4.3 3bet) so clearly he has AA and some stuff. In position, I think we can call here preflop with this hand. But OOP, I'm not sure. Is this an 'ok' call preflop? I have a feeling this could be a mistake.
On the flop, SPR is really low, so decided on open shoving to make him fold whatever equity he had on the flop and take the pot down. What do you guys think? Too spewy?
edit: I forgot to mention that I'm isolating UTG. He is laggy (the bad kind, 76/48 with 1.8 aggression factor), and is spewy post flop. But I don't think that changes villain's 4betting range as he looks like to be doing this with mostly AAxx.
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Fold pre, imo without a nut suit. OTF, you have a better bluffcatcher, by shving, you only protect against AQK kind of hands, a flush has you crushed so you iso yourself here.
I was under the impression that playing double suited hands that are somewhat connected are better in a 4bet pot (as the 4b caller) than playing unpaired Ace high hands (suited to the Ace) since villain will most likely have AA** having us crushed.
On the flop, isn't it better to shove ourselves and let villain fold his AKQ rather hand letting him catch up?
The issue is, we shove for protection , as we hardly be good when called. So we invest 65bb only to be bad when called with a hand with enough SDV. I think our hand is a better bluffcatcher. Ofc, we will fold out air, sometimes get loose calls and Gii with decent EQ, or win without showdown. When we only rely on FEQ, we have to get folds aorund 40% of the time, with possible full hosue outs, so still some EQ against his top calling range, we need less FEQ, so shoving should be + EV, but I think checking should have much moire. WE also fold out villaisn random Adxxx hands that cannot call but will bluff often enough and that are more or less dead.
Sorry, thought you cold call a 4bet. As played, you should peel HU pre.
But if we check, we risk villain checking back. Isn't that the a scenario we're trying to avoid by shoving?
Also what do you think of calling 4bets with unpaired suited Ace hands preflop? Wouldn't villain have us crushed with his presumed range of mostly AA** here?
Don't fold preflop it's not even that close. You have to call 4bets with these types of hands. I'm just guessing here but I have a feeling that jamming is more +EV than check calling. Him folding ever even some backdoor equity would be a nice result.
Yeah, exactly what I thought.
fold pre vs utg open.
+EV to call vs his 4bet after 3betting
i think you can do various things OTF.
out of all, i like betting 1/3 and folding here.
Like your 3 bet against 76/48-->we dont necessarily want multiway pot by calling because dont have nut suits.
Standard 4 bet call-->we have enough equity and good playability on the flop
IMO on the flop checking and calling the shove is standard. I guess there is some argument for leading too but definitely not folding. For that you really need extreme reads.
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