10/20$ Deep hand, preeflopp play justified with read?
Posted by Leo Nordin
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10/20$ Deep hand, preeflopp play justified with read?
UTG: $15791.84 (Hero)
HJ: $2230.30
CO: $6257.20
BN: $5879.90
SB: $2030
BB: $5903.65
HJ: $2230.30
CO: $6257.20
BN: $5879.90
SB: $2030
BB: $5903.65
Wzap guys! Thought we could discuss a interesting spot from 10/20$ the other day.
I can remember i played a full day, games have been running lately and been logging a bit more hands than in a while. I guess the shutdown at 25/50 and 50/100 has increased the traffic at 10/20 with a few marks. Up untill this hand i had sort of a breakeven day, a few good hours in the start but a rougher ending and i guess this hand is a bit of a spot where i just could be forcing action but i still cant decide what to think rly.
I thought i would give u my line of thoughts to see what you have to say
I can remember i played a full day, games have been running lately and been logging a bit more hands than in a while. I guess the shutdown at 25/50 and 50/100 has increased the traffic at 10/20 with a few marks. Up untill this hand i had sort of a breakeven day, a few good hours in the start but a rougher ending and i guess this hand is a bit of a spot where i just could be forcing action but i still cant decide what to think rly.
I thought i would give u my line of thoughts to see what you have to say
Preflop
($30.00)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
A
9
T
8
Hero raises to $80, HJ folds, CO raises to $294, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero raises to $936, CO calls $642
Hero raises to $80, HJ folds, CO raises to $294, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero raises to $936, CO calls $642
Std 4x utg, Co 3b's.
Co is one of those deep reggs that i cant rly decide if they are rly good or just spewy. Ofc he is good but i feel like he is over 3 betting a little to much deep with pos. I sort of understand how his range looks like and that alot of it is weighted towards hands that can call a 4b IP with high implied odds and position and a decent spr.
But he will still have all like AAxx KKxxds here also. And it might not seem to be like a great idea to 4b. But its feels like with such a strong hand will hit the good end of many wet flopps where he will think my 4b range is suuuuuper AAxx heavy. Also it protects my 4b range a little towards what board we connect on and im not superhappy 4b premium combos utg vs co that does not have a A *blocker* in them.
Im not shure this defends my play at all or maybe even makes it worse, but it was my line of thoughts in the hand and the sort of the way i feel in a lot of spots where i 4b light pree when we are superdeep i feel like it works good overall even tho its highvariance as well.
Co is one of those deep reggs that i cant rly decide if they are rly good or just spewy. Ofc he is good but i feel like he is over 3 betting a little to much deep with pos. I sort of understand how his range looks like and that alot of it is weighted towards hands that can call a 4b IP with high implied odds and position and a decent spr.
But he will still have all like AAxx KKxxds here also. And it might not seem to be like a great idea to 4b. But its feels like with such a strong hand will hit the good end of many wet flopps where he will think my 4b range is suuuuuper AAxx heavy. Also it protects my 4b range a little towards what board we connect on and im not superhappy 4b premium combos utg vs co that does not have a A *blocker* in them.
Im not shure this defends my play at all or maybe even makes it worse, but it was my line of thoughts in the hand and the sort of the way i feel in a lot of spots where i 4b light pree when we are superdeep i feel like it works good overall even tho its highvariance as well.
Flop
($1982.00)
5
J
7
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
CO bets $1198,
Hero calls $1198
On the flopp i think we can use the board coverage 4betting this combo gives us. I think structuring a balanced checking range is important here also since im not superhappy just jamming every AAxx in my range here with stacks this deep, i think we should prob check some AAxx with flushdraws to jam over a bet from FI with in another addition to protecting our checking range.
However i felt like i could c/c this exakt hand since i think we get such good implied odds if we hit the nuts on the turn and he will have a lot of sucker straight and 2p's+gutters and stuff we can checkjam get it in vs with killer equity.
However i felt like i could c/c this exakt hand since i think we get such good implied odds if we hit the nuts on the turn and he will have a lot of sucker straight and 2p's+gutters and stuff we can checkjam get it in vs with killer equity.
Turn
($4378.00)
5
J
7
7
(2 Players)
Hero bets $4319
Turn is sort of a sick card, when i think about how my range looks like and that i have tons of AAxx that i would prob want to openjam with after peeling a blank. Like AAlowlow AAhighhigh. And i cant c/c stacks of here either with so poor equity. I guess the question is if we get a freecard so often after checking we can bluff on blanks or c/c with a str8 on the river.
Since when we are crushed when called here im not shure i can justify the jam either.
Since when we are crushed when called here im not shure i can justify the jam either.
Its going to interesting to hear what u have to say, i have the feeling im gona get crushed by the Masterposters here but still its maybe something i need to remove from my deep game to get better.
All the best guys
//ISILDROoOoOoooooN
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Hey Leo!
Why do I feel like every hand you post says "I don't know if I should have 4bet (or 5bet) this but I did"? :)
I think the 4bet is okay-ish, but this is what happens when you do it!
I think you played it perfectly on flop & turn, and I don't have much to add to your reasoning.
The turn feels a bit weird in that you don't have any boats and he does, but the SPR is low enough that it doesn't matter. I think you have a slight range advantage because of the low SPR, whereas if you had another 5x pot left, you'd be at a serious range disadvantage and it would be silly to take the betting lead back.
NH!
Agree with Phil regarding post flop. It doesn't matter that you are fairly crushed when he calls. You have a +EV jam at SPR 1 if he folds 50% freq even if you were drawing dead when called.
He won't have a hand with 33%+ eq vs AA over 50% so you will get the required FE. Add in that you will have far from zero eq when called and your jam is good.
In this type of a game, what's the bottom of a calling range you would see, from your experience? Whenever I take this line I always get called super light. I mean is a weak Jx hand just snapping it off? Better question I guess is, what's the best hand we can make fold?
Your wrap on the flop is weakened alot in value because your heads up for one. I think this hand becomes a little bit more playable post flop 3 ways after the turn drops a blank. You have c/o raising you preflop and snap calling you on a huge 3 bet. There's nothing to say this guy didnt flop a set, overpair of Kings/Queens and a flush draw. To me there is a good chance your getting called, and just throwing a whole bunch of money in the pot with an empty wrap, and two spades on the board. I think the biggest mistake in the hand is clearly 4 betting pre-flop. This hand is extremely playable post-flop and drawing a card or two cheaply to see if the hand comes to fruition is important. If your spending too much money drawing in this hand with an unpredictable outcome, then you're forcing the action and really just gambling. SPR is almost 20 when the cutoff raises initially, and I can see the 4 bet out of position and shove play bluff if the SPR is 15 or less. I'd like to mention that my spr math is disgustingly sloppy. I think I've made several inaccurate calculations regarding them, and need more polishing as it's going to be very important how our hands get played. sometimes I forget to factor smaller stacks in the equation. Work in progress guys.. back with more soon : )
I wonder what you rep with this line. Is T987 in your flop x/calling range? What about x/raising the flop.
what he reps with this line should be fairly obvious. (AA ldo)
xraising flop is pretty suicidal in my oppinion, since we are always behind when getting it in, and the pot is going to be over 600bb
I think you've played this hand very well, Leo. Decisions on each street make a lot of sense, even if the overall play ended up being very high variance.
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