€100PLO - 3Way with top two OTT

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€100PLO - 3Way with top two OTT

Sorry for the lack of converting, I've tried everything but can't get it to work. I play on microgaming, and use HM2, so if anyone knows how to do it, please tell me!

The two players are the exact two same players from my other thread.

Fish/limper plays:
73 / 43 over 165 hands.
3bet 23%, fold 2 3bet 11%
Fold to cbet 33%.
Notes:
-Spewplayer
-3bets AKQ3ds (multiway preflop) and calls huge 4bet
-DonkS rivered nuts
-Slowplays flopped nuthouse

Regular player:
25 / 13 over 61 hands.
0% 3bet. 0% fold 2 3bet.
Noteless.

Prima, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

UTG: $100 (100 bb)
MP: $207.58 (207.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $197.70 (197.7 bb)
BTN: $310.14 (310.1 bb)
SB: $100 (100 bb)
BB: $137.78 (137.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Tc Qs Kd 8c
UTG folds, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN folds, SB calls $4, BB folds, MP calls $3.50

Flop: ($14.50) 3s Ts 8d (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $11, SB calls $11, MP calls $11

Turn: ($47.50) Qd (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero ??

Not sure whats the best line here,
check back and play river?
bet/fold
bet/call even? Not sure how light they will shove OTT, but I dont think its light enough for me to bet/call.

Thoughts appreciated!

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Viktor Luis Larsson 12 years, 1 month ago
I would be bet/folding here without any read that gives me a clue that they might c/r hands with like 2 flushdraws or straight & flushdraw.

Our reaction to a fishy player who plays alot of hands is to barrel alot, since his range will be much wider and weaker. He will often have naked straightdraws/flushdraws or top and bottom pairs here.

Im more worried about SB range, for coldcalling a 3bet OOP. He seems pretty TAG so his range is alot of suited rundowns, big par+fd and doublepairs. He might be c/c this flop with hands like JT9x or QQJT with a flushdraw or whatever. This turn hits some of his range.

I would still bet for value/protection here as there are just too many draws out there.
Maikel1983 12 years, 1 month ago
Interesting spot;

SB I would expect him to fast play (As8s9J/QsJT9s) - WR+FD on this flop, since HERO's range is somewhat wider for isolating the weaker player. Although HERO is not cbetting 90% in this spot given the action is 3-way. Sets are basically excluded from both of their ranges (SB/MP), SB doesn't have many 33 combo's in his PFC range, and HERO blocks Q/T/8 + given the flop action. MP range will be really wide since villain will chasing all kinds of weak draws. If it was HU vs this player I really like a bet OTT.

(1) check-back turn and play river, I don't mind realizing my equity, since I expect the SB play honest on river, because there is a weaker player in between. So, SB villain can't get away with bluffing OTR. I think we can comfortably fold vs a bet on river on a blank, spade. Maybe HERO-call vs MP on a diamond, since MP might be bluffing randomly missed spades.

(2) bet-folding, it sucks to bet-fold vs a hand like AdQJTd maybe this a worst case scenario. I see a lot of argument in protecting our hand, however HERO doesn't block any J or 9, given the flop action it's likely someone has the straight.

(3) bet-calling, worst option imo, SB/MP will play honest OTT, and it sucks to get it in vs a range that have u crushed.

Viktor Luis Larsson 12 years, 1 month ago
I ´would consider a check back if the board wasnt as dynamic as it is. If we check back Its very likely were going to face a bet on the river and we wont be able to call it from any of the two. Also i think when we bet turn, we wont get raised that often with anything but the nuts. The fish is loose/passive and a TAG at this level is more likely to just call with multiply draws.

I rather bet turn myself and being able to check back most rivers then checking turn and having to call a blank river. Also if we check, all the hands like 97xx and any flushdraw gets a free card and we rather want them to fold their equity.
Maikel1983 12 years, 1 month ago
Good point, Viktor

TBH, I overestimated the probability of one of the villain's having a straight, after your comment and my own thought process. I am leaning towards bet-folding. It's better since the board is dynamic.
1) I expect SB, villain to fast play (As8s9J/QsJT9s) or even leading the flop with the weaker player in the middle. So, HERO can discount some J9xx combo's.
2) I agree, on the fact that HERO only is getting raised by the nuts J9xx.
3) OTR, I expect the SB to play honest with HERO, and not randomly bluff into 2 people. So we can comfortably fold the river, when the SB donks. Might HERO-call when MP donks river.
Sightblinder 12 years, 1 month ago
My overall cbet % is about 60%, and in this spot I'm always strong from the flop on out, by strong I dont mean nuts or anything, but I'm never betting this flop without something.

I completely agree with bet/calling being the worst option, and I kind of tend towards betting turn myself, but I'm slightly concerned on how often we run into a straight. Though he should donk the straights a decent % of the time, as he should expect me to not "do anything silly" OTT 3way with a weak player in the pot.
Viktor Luis Larsson 12 years, 1 month ago
I think they are more inclined to donk turn with the straight when theres 2 flushdraws present and additional straight draws. I could see c/r from them if the board was rainbow but when its this wet, I expect them to donk very often with J9.

So everything up till our turn action makes me want to bet.

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