100 - turn spot in 3b pot
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100 - turn spot in 3b pot
hey guys - had this spot come up today and felt it was very close.....villan 3bs 13% from this position.....on the turn its fairly obvious he has some solid equity to be pot calling rather then bet folding but of course with our turned fd we're in a tight spot....I'm getting 1.66 to 1 to him effectively jamming the turn....I came up with the following range in PPT to decide on whether or not to call this off
(kx,66,k6,57,ss,aa):13%
Is this a valid range for this scenario? We have 46.4% equity vs this range thus getting the right price to shove the rest of it in there. Just want to make sure I'm correct here and not missing something. Thanks
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Do you really think dry AA/Kx plays this way?
I agree its a bit ambitious - ran this real quick while I was playing and didn't fully think it over....anyways with Kx/AA removed our equity increases to 53%
OK, I ran a sim for this spot using a pre-made 17% 3bet range based on playability. It's a little bit looser than his stat, but it is CO v BTN so it seems like a reasonable starting point.
Flop I gave him a c-bet range of: (TP>, GD>, BWd,2BFD) That's top pair or better, gutshot or better, backdoor wrap draw, or two backdoor flush draws. This makes up a 66% c-bet frequency which seems reasonable for K63r.
On the turn, SPR is going to be 1.4. Once villain pots, we're going to need ~37% to get it in. Let's see if we have that.
So, let's assume he pot/calls turn with a range of: ((2PR>, FD, OE>)-(SET+FD, ST+FD)). That is, 2 pair or better, any flush draw, any open ender, minus set+fd, st+fd. I'm making the assumption he uses two sizings in this spot, one being pot with the middling stuff, the other being a smaller bet with hands that have the deck crushed like set+fd, st+fd, or hands that are bet/folding like T987hh.
Vs that range, we have 47%.
Now let's look and see how our equity changes when villain c-bets the same range on the flop, but only has one sizing on turn, which is pot.
So, villain c-bets flop with range: (TP>, GD>, BWd,2BFD)
On turn, he pot/call's range: (2PR>, FD, OE>)
Against this range, we've for 44%, so it looks like another clear stack off.
Obviously if we change any assumptions that widen either villains flop c-betting range or turn potting range, that only increases our equity and makes it an easier get in.
Overall, it seems like a pretty clear get in.
Some reads would be nice.
Think 66% is a serious underestimation of how often people cbet this flop ~~ Not that it's all that relevant, just thought that was a bit of a low estimate.
Looking back I suppose I could have included all 6*** combos for villain too.
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