100 PLO: 9567ccc OOP on T24cc flop
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100 PLO: 9567ccc OOP on T24cc flop
3-handed atm. BTN folds and I open 9h 567ccc from my SB. BB calls.
Flop Tc 2c 4h.
My autopilot is telling me to c-bet 1/3rd here. But thinking on this hand I can't actually form too many good reasons as to why and I'd appreciate some feedback and discussion on what we want to be doing in these spots.
My main points of consideration at the time were this:
- I would c-bet here with most of my overpairs, flush draws, TPTK-ish and better type stuff. So this is in-line with my cbet range.
- 5 and 6 blockers reduce his 6 high straight continues.
- 9 reduces his Tx combos a bit
Some points I wish I could have considered in total, looking back on the hand:
- Having 3 diamonds reduces his flush draw range as well as his overall calling range. (cbet success more likely?)
- Bet/folding isn't a huge deal? Are we really throwing away that much viable equity with a bad FD/GS OOP? Only thing we feel comfortable on is the gutshot since I don't plan on playing for 100bbs with this low of a flush draw.
- No nut flush blockers and no actual made hand to protect, as well as it being single raised pot.
- Check/call puts me in a weird spot where I'm not even sure what I'm trying to make
- I don't have a lot of checkraise here as these players don't stab all that often.
Appreciate any feedback.
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I need to study SB open raise/call ranges more, but this seems extremely loose to me. Open limping I can kind of understand (this combo realizes its equity sorta okay and SB always has a nice price), but this is really a pretty trashy combo.
Three-of-a-suit hands are very overrated, we have a gap at the top, and our cards are very low.
OTF, I really don't like a c-bet. You seem to really be overestimating the power of our blockers (which, in my opinion, are basically nothing), as well as our equity.
This is honestly a check/fold to me. I don't like our standing versus either villain's betting range or their calling range, and I'm definitely not sticking around if they raise a bet from us.
We have a gutshot and a terrible flush draw. Making the pot bigger and strengthening villain's range when we have no super significant blockers to their continues...? I'm just not seeing it.
Like, there are basically three good turn cards for us (and then quite a few bad rivers).
Having three clubs makes it less likely that villain has higher clubs, but if another comes, we're OOP with a really tough hand. 3c doesn't even make us a straight flush.
I'm just not seeing what you're seeing here.
I think your points have a lot of validity. At the time I did think it was a bit of a loose open. I mostly was ok with it pre because I felt I had an edge vs a BB who would be overfolding against me.
But of course yeah it puts me into spots like these where I'm not really in much of a great spot. Part of the reason why I am ok with a CB to begin with is because at least I get a shot at taking down the pot with a not very good hand OTF.
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