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SB: 1134
BB: 1866 (Hero)
Preflop (90) (2 Players)
SB raises to 120, Hero calls 60
Flop (270) 4 6 8 (2 Players)
Hero checks, SB bets 120, Hero calls 120
Turn (510) 4 6 8 J (2 Players)
Hero checks, SB bets 320, Hero calls 320
River (1150) 4 6 8 J A (2 Players)
Hero checks, SB checks
Final Pot
SB has 7 Q Hero has 4 7 Hero wins 1120
vilain is a tight opener with only 50% sb vpip, 50% cb,
so I have 47s this is 20bb eff stack so my call is somewhat marginal, but because he doesn't cbet very often I decide to call ... on the board (which is pretty good imo bot pair + 4 outs to a straight + bd flush draw) I think his range completely missed,.
So 2 options lead or check.
My hand is not strong enough to build a big pot from this flop so I decide to check + he doesn't cbet often.
but vilain decides to cbet so I take it for 8x, 9T, 55+, A4, .... but I think my hand has too much potential to fold so I call
turn improves me for bd flush, and shouldn't change much for him, once again my hand seems too strong to fold and that s where my problem comes from:

I don't know if it s best to jam, or to check, I decide to check and vilain put me in a tough spot
with a J on the turn I don't know why vilain raise 3/4 here with 574 behind, did he hit bd draws? does he protect the 8 from bd draws ? bluff ? here I don't know what to do as I have nomore fold equity ... I call and the A should be a blocker imo ...

well I put myself in a weird spot and wonder how I coulda play it a better way

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woohoo42 12 years, 3 months ago
First of all you are less than 20BB deep, so this is a shove or fold spot, everything else brings you problems as you just saw... 74s is just on the borderline between shove and fold(64s is a shove), so I would shove if I thought he was better postflop(which means I fold to everyone :) ) and fold to worse players and look for a better edge. I know 74s look good when you get it dealt, but it is not such as strong hand in this spot at all.
bmwnick1 12 years, 3 months ago
LOL, this is not a shove or fold spot. Calling is fine if hes opening a lot but more a fold if he isnt. Lol anyone that shoves 7 high with 20 bbs or less is awful....dont know where you play woohoo42 but im there if you think this way
lovehatepoker 12 years, 3 months ago
Flatting 47s at 20bbs oop is fine, the only thing that would make me fold is his opening % is really low but as you said so is his cbet so its fine imo.

now u kinda need more info on villain, his cbet is low so what does his cbet range look like, is he the type that cbets any time he makes a pair or the type that cbets top pair + and draws and pot control's all other pairs.

how thin is villain capable of betting the turn, etc. most likely you played the hand fine tbh, most low cbetting types tend to check back alot of mid pairs bottom pairs and cbet draws and strong made hands when you get to the turn there isnt much else u can do, his range will be either really strong made hands which should continue to value bet rivers that complete you or air/ draws which u have a pair against. ie for the times he has a strong made hand you should have the implied for when you hit and the times its not you should have decent showdown IF they shutdown river.

fwiw I play hu hypers and my small sample of hands where i flatted 18bbs-25bbs for hands 85s,84s,75s,74s,65s,64s comes to ev -55bb/100 which seems bad BUT if you folded these hands you would lose -100bb/100 it doesnt need to be profitable it just has to be better than folding the big blind.

obviously if someone is opening 80% its more than likely going to be better to 3bet jam than flat.
woohoo42 12 years, 3 months ago
I believe that if he is not limping occasionally, he will be opening more than enough for a shove to be profitable. Hands like 65,,75 are still way better to shove than call, because although they might bring you occasional profit when you call, they may also cost you the chance to win the tournament because if you call min raise pot is 4, assuming he CBets J42 flop you have to call once and you already put 4-5BB in the pot without any idea where you stand and probably cannot continue on any cards but a 4 and a 7... Any pot that is -EV is a bad play and while I said shove with 74 is borderline it is way better than a call because if it is -EV it is definitely less than -55bb/100
desperhate 12 years, 3 months ago
when u say if he is never limping he is opening wide enough for a shove ... this sound interesting but could you develope further 'cause I m not too sure to understand the whole thing.
Isolation 12 years, 3 months ago
Well he just means that assuming his vpip OTB is something like 80%, but the majority or all of it is in minraising, then his raise range has a significant % of raise/fold, enough for us to profitably jam.
Isolation 12 years, 3 months ago
This is definitely not a shove/fold spot pre. Defending 47s is fine vs some opponents. We're getting great pot odds, an spr that allows us to play our hand very well (especially vs someone who cbets a bad frequency), and also have limited RIO.

Flop I would generally c/r because our hand is quite vulnerable, but also has decent equity when called.
Isolation 12 years, 3 months ago
Someone who opens too wide, but also calls jams wide would make this more a flat than a rejam, by the way. I would not rejam this unless villain exploitably raise/folds too much.
newt 12 years, 3 months ago
I agree that 20bb pre is not shove/fold. too exploitable. fine as played. definitely depends on opponent frequencies here.
midori 12 years, 3 months ago
Against a tight opening range you can just fold this pre. However, both flatting and nai 3bet bluffing are good options as well.

As played I'd either c/r on flop or turn.

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