4/8 2-7TD (8game) Break or freeze with 25678?

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4/8 2-7TD (8game) Break or freeze with 25678?

It's 8 game and the opponent is pretty unknown as I believe this is the first run through 2-7 in the mix and I haven't played much 8 game in the past several months so I don't know him.

I guess we have several options here, we can call or raise and then we can break or pat. If we raise it is possible but unlikely that we can get a better hand to break, but at least if he three bets we can then just call and throw the 8 and draw to a 7.

We could also call and then freeze by patting behind as we assume he will pat third. Then I guess we can fold if he bets river?

[07/03/2013 01:24:18] Phill Huxley: PokerStars Hand #95138758517: 8-Game (Triple Draw 2-7 Lowball Limit, $4/$8 USD) - 2013/03/06 20:20:45 ET
Table 'Belopolskya IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: bergeroo ($264.33 in chips)
Seat 2: Pylusha ($513.18 in chips)
Seat 3: sonajero ($37.78 in chips)
Seat 4: momuss ($200 in chips)
Seat 5: The1111One ($209.30 in chips)
Seat 6: stronghawk ($200 in chips)
momuss: posts small blind $2
The1111One: posts big blind $4
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to bergeroo [2s Ad Qd 7s 6h]
stronghawk: folds
bergeroo: raises $4 to $8
Pylusha: folds
sonajero: folds
momuss: calls $6
The1111One: folds
*** FIRST DRAW ***
momuss: discards 2 cards
bergeroo: discards 2 cards [Ad Qd]
Dealt to bergeroo [2s 7s 6h] [8s Qs]
momuss: checks
bergeroo: bets $4
momuss: calls $4
*** SECOND DRAW ***
momuss: discards 1 card
bergeroo: discards 1 card [Qs]
Dealt to bergeroo [2s 7s 6h 8s] [5s]
momuss: bets $8

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Simon Ash 12 years ago
I would favour the raise as it might bet him to break a poor 8 (although I agree it's not likely). One wonders why he bet into you if he has an absolute monster - wouldn't playing for the check-raise be better as there is no certainty you'll either bet/call after the 3rd draw if you miss...so he loses a bet. That fact would lead me to think he may not have a bone-crusher and so might not be able to 3 bet you, especially out of position as you may well have hit a monster and he'll have no way of knowing until you pat.

If he 3 bets then I think you have to break against an opponent you don't know. If you do hit you'll win at least extra bet post 3rd draw..and if you totally whiff you can fold...

Don't claim to be a TD expert but I do know enough to know I know nothing!!
Sauce123 12 years ago
I'd freeze here. Given he didn't lead after 1st, it's reasonable to think he has more rough draw1s than usual, which increases the value of your 8. I'd just call on the end as well.
Misha Savinov 12 years ago
Call/pat/call is a safe and profitable route. Raise and complicate life with history or for creating history (it def can be more profitable, but it requires you playing your A game). Don't ever think of breaking an 8 to a 3bet though.

Btw this is a reg, although he is more on a PLO side rather than limit. But he has all kinds of bluffs and thin value for sure.
Josh Hart 11 years, 10 months ago

without history, i think its a clear freeze and call the end. i think that decent 9s are a value bet in his position although not everyone will + hes a random and might just bet for the sake of not wanting to face a bet.

a more interesting question is whats the worst hand you raise for value here. i think ppl are reluctant to break in this spot, especially the first time this spot occurs. 



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