ZOOM 50 - 3b bet pot OOP on drawy board
Posted by Victor V
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Victor V
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ZOOM 50 - 3b bet pot OOP on drawy board
BN: $44.57
SB: $50.82 (Hero)
BB: $50
UTG: $197.94
HJ: $48
CO: $50
SB: $50.82 (Hero)
BB: $50
UTG: $197.94
HJ: $48
CO: $50
Preflop
($0.75)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
K
Q
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to $1.25, BN folds, Hero raises to $4.50, BB folds, CO calls $3.25
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to $1.25, BN folds, Hero raises to $4.50, BB folds, CO calls $3.25
Flop
($9.75)
Q
3
9
(2 Players)
Hero bets $5.25,
CO calls $5.25
Turn
($20.25)
Q
3
9
6
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
CO bets $10,
Hero calls $10
I dont think I can get 3streets of value vs most of his range and he has some weak draws that are prolly folding to a turn bet, so I decided to check.
Thoughts on checking vs betting?
Thoughts on checking vs betting?
River
($40.25)
Q
3
9
6
3
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
CO bets $30.25, and is all in,
Hero calls $30.25
I believe my main question here is: how often do we think the std zoom nl50 bets his missed draws?
Not a lot of reads on villain, but he seems solid. Hes opening 36% on CO, folding 60% to 3bets overall and 44 to flop cbets.
WWSF is 46%, but Im not sure if the sample is big enough for it to be relevant.
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Hey. How about checking the F? You said we don't have 3 streets of value anyway + I think he'd probably bet his whole calling range anyway + he can also get fancy at times w/ a hand like AThh/78s or w/e given that you barely ever have a hand that will be comfortable calling 3 streets here.
I don't see myself folding otr. Sure, all the draws bricked and he might expect you to bluffcatch him w/ a wide range + he can no longer represent 33, but at the same time it's not like you never fold here given your line + he can also go for thin value w/ QJ/QTs/JJ if he expects you to bluffcatch w/ TT/9x type of hand.
I dont like checking the flop, because I think that our betting range becomes too weak/unbalanced, but I might be wrong. If want to have TP on my checking range (which I do, btw), I'd rather check my weaker queens, like JQ and QT.
wp imo
Whatz his 4bet % COvsBU ?
Did ya see him calling KK+ in t his spot ?
You always 3bet KQoff here ..not only ohh hes opening alot ..
anyway when ya wanna bluff the flop you have to bet this hand ..i think
and then take your line
when ya give up on Q hi boards often i would ch OTF and let him barrel off as it looks first youre giving up and then like JJ TT
I think it's worth considering that your value range when barreling is going to be fairly small when you check this turn. It might be true that you do not get three streets of value, but you still can charge him one more street.
I think that this is a good and relevant point. If we only value-bet "AQ, QQ+, 99", then our value range has 30 combos. Assuming a .55pot bet, then our value:bluff ratio should be 74:24 and hence we should only have 10 bluff combos.
Now even if we dont 3bet JTo and want to be semi-bluffing this turn with "JTs,87s,AcKc,AcJc,KcJc,AcTc,KcTc,Ac8c,Ac7c,Ac5c,Ac4c,Ac3c,Ac2c", then thats already 19 combos, almost twice as much as we need. With that being said, if we want to be balanced on this spot (and I believe we should!), not only we should be value-betting KQ, but twice as much and even including QTs-QJs won't do the trick.
Since I dont believe we can extend our value-range too much more, then we should semi-bluff less. It makes sense to check the top of our range, so depending on how wide we want to vbet, our range should look something like this:
Value: (QQ+,99,AQs,KQs,AQo,KQo) Bluff: (JTs,87s,KcJc,KcTc,Ac5c,Ac4c,Ac2c)
Value: (QQ+,99,AQs,KQs,QTs+,AQo,KQo) Bluff:(JTs,87s,KcJc,KcTc,Ac8c,Ac7c,Ac5c,Ac4c,Ac2c)
Last, I think I'll have a hard time not betting my nut fd on this type of situation, so Im trying to look for a reason not to be balanced. Any thoughts?
Victor, how did you work out that value:bluff ratio?
@lazuri: when we bet 55% of the pot, villain has to call 55 into a 155 pot, so he has to be right ~26% (not 24%!). GTO-wise, that means that our range should have 26% of bluffs.
@th04: I am not sure, but our value range will get sucked out as well, so it might balances out that way?
I also would call. The only hands that have u beat are AQ(8), 99(3) and maybe Q9s(1) = 12 (I think we fold 33 when he folds 60% to 3bets).
On the other hand, he will often bluffs his JTs, 76s(expect diamonds), and club draws. Or he is valuetowing himself with QJ/QT.
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