zNL5 - 3bet pot BvsB, 2 pairs OTR.
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zNL5 - 3bet pot BvsB, 2 pairs OTR.
Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players)
BN: $8.06
SB: $5.62 (Hero)
BB: $6.46
UTG: $5.79
MP: $8.19
CO: $8.20
SB: $5.62 (Hero)
BB: $6.46
UTG: $5.79
MP: $8.19
CO: $8.20
Preflop
($0.07)
Hero is SB with
J
8
, , ,
Flop
($0.58)
5
J
T
, ,
Turn
($1.18)
5
J
T
8
, , ,
River
($4.74)
5
J
T
8
K
,
Hey guys!
I'd like to hear your thoughts in that hand!
So, OTR I think shove is better than check/call, mainly because we sometimes get called from some Jx, QQ, even KQ combos, instead of if I check villain probably check back these hands, maybe AA don't bet here also.
What do you guys think about that hand? Is the shove or the call better?
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i think the way you played + analysed the hand is fine.
he won't turn stuff into bluffs and is checking behind the hands which we beat, but he might end up sigh-calling those. so on a limit, where people overplay their top pair / overpair type hands i like the line
I think you played it fine. A bit of a nasty card on the river but I think jamming will be highest EV.
There's no way we can shove for value on the river. This river card is pretty much the worst in the deck, because it completes the flushdraw AND villain could easily bet/call the turn with AQ, since it's a double gutter with overcards. You can play around it with equilab or something and see for yourself. AQ and flushes make up a pretty significant portion of villains river range.
Check/fold is pretty clearly the best play, because villain has a better hand too often and there's virtually 0 natural bluffing hands for villain. He would have to turn stuff into a bluff which is not happening often enough at most games.
I agree with you, I put this calling range on equilab, QQ+,AQs,KJs+,AcJc,QcJc,AQo,KJo+, being optmistic if he calls with QQ and KQ, we have 47.06% OTR, but if he calls with his AK we have 57%. My dout was exactly that, because a I think a can't check/call this river. Villain being a fish I think the shove is +EV regard the hands that he can call, some weird bluff catches. My thoughts are wrong?
I think you're being too optimistic. You called a 3bet preflop, called flop et raised the turn. If you shove river, there's no way he call AJ or KQ. The flush and the straight came in. QQ would fold too.
XC would be better if you think vilain can bluff or value cutting himself (which I doubt)
I disagree, villain is fish and certainly calling with AJ, KQ or QQ.
(Yet I am still unsure about whether we can jam or not)
Villain is certainly a fish regard his 3bet size. He 3bets < 2x. So he has a wider range on the entire hand. I've seem several time this kind of players bluff catching with a weird range that I shove river. But I think is a close shove we have to be optimistic here to the shove be +EV. Finally, about X/C it's the worse line here, cause villain doesn't have many bluff combos and I don't think he will bluff enough.
This seems a little too thin. Every two pair combo, besides J5, has you crushed here. Basically his entire calling range dominates you.
Yeah! But I think his best combos as 2 pair+ get it in OTT. That's why I was thinking about the shove river. Even so is a close river shove.
What about shoving the turn? Plenty of possible semibluffs should make one pair call more often. Also 30 cards are bad river cards for us, so getting money in now would save us having to bluff catch this combo on 2/3rds of rivers.
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