zNL5 - 3bet pot, Bad bluff OTR?
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zNL5 - 3bet pot, Bad bluff OTR?
Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players)
BN: $4.98
SB: $23.92
BB: $5.22
UTG: $5.67
MP: $7.02
CO: $9.70 (Hero)
SB: $23.92
BB: $5.22
UTG: $5.67
MP: $7.02
CO: $9.70 (Hero)
Preflop
($0.07)
Hero is CO with
Q
A
, , , ,
Flop
($0.97)
6
9
T
, , ,
Turn
($2.21)
6
9
T
Q
,
River
($4.71)
6
9
T
Q
8
, ,
Hey guys!
So, villain was probably a fish. He was playing only one table.
PF: I think 3bet is fine, specially against fish.
OTF: I chose bet small here, he probably have a wide range and we have decent BD. When he mini raise, I think I can call.
OTT: Ok, my main issue is turn.we hit TPTK, but complete some KJ draws and we're dead against sets and almost dead against 2pairs.
OTR: This card ins't good for our range, but wen he checks I want try make him fold some 2pairs hands and even sets.
What do you think, is this spewy?
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Hello,
Sorry for being harsh, but sometimes a bucket of cold water is the best thing.
and I really hope this answer helps you.
Hey, good post!
I appreciate that. Very nice thoughts. But why I probably bet bigger with flush draw OTF? Because of this is a drawy board? and if board was more disconnected but two tone you like to bet bigger with your FD?
Sizing is a very hard and really complex topic and I can't give you general answer in a few sentences.
But based on my experience with these limits: it depends on how do you like to play your draws, but a population tendency on NL2/NL5 is that people are cbetting flush draws in 3bet spots with sizing around 60%-70% - for sure more than a half of the pot. You generally want to play good draws aggressively and bet higher to generate a bigger fold equity.
At first glance, KcQx or KcKx (if you have it here with this line) looks like a better combo to make this play with. He will have some AQ and 2 pair that will fold in this scenario. I think AQ is potentially a hand you want him to have here since it is a snap fold to a shove. The other thing is, is that you block king high straights with KQ and unblock it with AQ, so there are less combos he can call with but I am not sure this is relevant enough to choose shoving vs. just showing down stuff like KQ and AQ here.
To be honest, I think checking back flop is probably the best move here. The Q is just such a trouble card to hit on turn, you are really only "somewhat" comfortable spiking an A here.
Flop is almost 100% checkback with this combo, you have some equity like nut backdoor fd but... your hand is too weak to call even against minraise. You can obviously point that recreational player usually has wide range but vs cbet 33% on this board your fold equity is almost nonexistant.
On river turning it into bluff makes completely no sense. His sizing on turn is kinda weak so its likely you have best hand, also I wouldnt expect that recreational is capable there to lay down hands as strong as set.
It's hard to say whether this bluff is good or not, unless we know your ranges on each street. Bluffing with any particular hand can be ok, but we should have a general idea of how much we're bluffing, compared to how many value bets we have.
In this case, bluffing with Ac in our hand isn't a bad idea (we block the nut flush), but again, would need to know your ranges to make an intelligent comment.
In general, I would just check back river and take my showdown value. As a general heuristic, bluffing with top pair top kicker is usually not a good idea. The reason is simple: if you're bluffing with such a strong hand, you're also bluffing with many weaker ones, and that would mean you're bluffing too much.
Preflop
I like the three bet sizing. Calling is also a good option with these type of hands depending if there are many squeezers on the particular level your playing.
Flop
Why would villain have a wide range here I don't get that the villain opened UTG and called a 3 bet OOP which indicates a tight range mainly broad-way hands that might connect to the board.
Not a good flop for you and it is a wet board with 9T and two clubs. So I normally would just check back here. You bet small and villain min raises you. You get excellent odds to call the min raise but you don't have a lot of equity (no immediate draws on this draw heavy board) so folding is also an option.
If I would bet this flop then I would bet bigger (~2/3 pot) to get more folds, now almost all his hands have the odds to continue.
Turn
You flopped top pair and villain bets out n this board would just call to get to the river cheap.
River
8 of clubs so now club draws and all straight draws with a J got there. Villain checks and you decide to bluff whilst you have some SDV against a KQ type of hand. I don't think that is a good idea as what hands are you targeting.
Assuming that AA, KK, AK most of the time 3 bet and that he most of the time folds any hand weaker that 99 or T9s you only targeting T9s that might fold (I don't believe that a set will fold even on this run out on this level with opponents that don't know each other) and even then there are still a lot of combos that beat you JTs (3) and QJs (2) and KJs (4) and TJs (3) as well as KQ (1) of clubs (total of 13 combos).
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