zNL10 - Weak fold OTR?
Posted by Alison95
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zNL10 - Weak fold OTR?
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players)
BN: $12.74
SB: $5.90
BB: $10.45
UTG: $26.75 (Hero)
MP: $10.70
CO: $11.13
SB: $5.90
BB: $10.45
UTG: $26.75 (Hero)
MP: $10.70
CO: $11.13
Preflop
($0.15)
Hero is UTG with
A
J
, , ,
Flop
($0.75)
8
7
T
, ,
Turn
($1.71)
8
7
T
A
, ,
River
($3.89)
8
7
T
A
5
, ,
Final Pot
BN wins $3.71
Rake is $0.18
Rake is $0.18
The flop favors button range and the villain wans playing fairly tight in 46 hands 19/7 so I'll check my entire range here. Given the fact I block some straights with my J is the river fold bad?
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I think the fold is way too tight. Villain could easily valuebet the same hand as well as show up with bluffs like QJ trying to make weaker parts of your range to fold (98/99/JT...)
Blocking straights is almost irrelevant considering that there are more significant datapoints that make this a call already.
I see your pov, how do you play this in all streets? and what range do you play in all streets?
I hope I'm not asking too much.
On the flop I like the idea of checking range, I'd probably do the same. With AJ specifically, we can either check/call or check/raise. Which of those two is better I don't know, but it certainly varies from opponent to opponent.
As played, on the turn I would keep check/calling with all Ax and all pair+draws (unless I open something like 76s UTG). I would mostly check/raise all AT or better that I have.
And as played on the river I would certainly call all Ax and mostly fold with weaker stuff. If I wanted to make sure that I wasn't folding too often, I would start calling with stuff like 98 to make sure that I bluffcatch often enough and that I'm not blocking the most likely bluffing hands while doing so (KQ/KJ/QJ). So like 98 likely outperforms QQ as a calling hand on the river.
In a pool where players tend to be passive and not that bluffheavy with their third barrels, I would just default to calling Ax and better and folding the rest, I think that would be fine. You probably end up folding too often if you never call anything worse than Ax, but like I said, in a weak/passive pool that seems like a proper adjustment.
I would have said that you probably need to call this hand given that you're not going to have TP+ all that often here but given the PIO results listed above and the fact that you're checking your entire range here it looks like it's closer than I thought.
Thanks for all coments, all of them were usefull!
What do you guys think about the idea of check entire range OTF? I think, against fishs we want to bet our strong value range, but against a good oponent or even a competent regular, what would you do?
I think that checking range on the flop vs a good player makes a ton of sense here.
I expect fish to play even more close to optimal on this flop than regs would do in these limits. Cold caller range have a huge ev advantage on this flop, so check is defintely fine
Seems played fine. I dont expect ur opponent to have more than 1bet sizing OTR, so I would lean towards folding, but it's quite close.
Btw, u should treat J blocker as a bad for calling in this spot, I dont think he's flatting J9s, so it block more of his bluffs than value
Isn,t wide for call the flop? We have nuts, 3sets, overpairs, tp, second pairs, 9x, mybe 87,65, QJ... ,its not suficient? Playing worst situation
no, we cant be folding nut gut shot on flop
,QJ is the nut gutshot mate, and is a very good hand for cc in the btn
Gut shot is one card. 6 not nut got shot, j- nut gut shot
I not try gramaticL discussion, i dont speak english lol, but if you have AJ and 9 appear in turn you dont have nuts. You can tell this nuts if you prefer but you dont have nuts, specually when btn have QJ sure. And say you can,t fold a gutshot in worst situation posible isn,t a serious reason
I got ur idea, but it's still call
I go here finding a serious reason for call, bc i try understand. Sure im not happy listen is call, but ty for try help me
it's just have enouth equity, and you need to defend your range
3 sets QJ and AQ in a short range playing oop 120bb deep, you say me need call with AJ here bc have suficient equity and need defend your range... i only can look how you go lost money doing this. When hit 9 he have QJ who crush you or split vs other J,dont go make clear value vs her sets bc you play oop, maybe he can bluff any like AQ... but sure he dont go bluff a lot.
When hit Ace you lost vs her AQ and sets and it is really not good ace for call i think bloking her QJ and JK.
I,m bad, but i cant look how we need call this here, maybe have sense vs a guy who go bluff a lot with a wide range pre, but here i can,t understand
You should be quite deppresed irl, you see only a negative side, no offense:D. You say if we hit straight, he will have better straight, if we hit ace he will have better ace, and after all you say it's bad we block jack because QJ is one of the main bluffs, but if we hit straight he will have QJ
AJ, is not a super high ev call or smth, but it's still like neutral or slight ev spot
this hand have a very counter implied money when you hit, and we playing OOP vs strong range, 120BB DEEP, if any person can explain me why i should call here with sense i can understand. you don´t ofense me mate bc we don´t are friends and i dont understand what you say, but i here for learn. your arguments haven´t sense, sorry, maybe you can play a hand only bc other guy says you it´s still a call, it´s not super ev but still a call, you can´t fold a nut gutshot lol
Sorry but i finding a good reason not air, not seems be one good for the moment, and please not says me other time it´s a call because it´s a call
Lol return read your comment is very enjoy, you try make my comment ridicule only saying what i say, but you can return read your comment and can look how all you say have sense, when we hit straight he go have better straight, yes it is true mate
When you hit ace he have better aces and bloking her bluffs, yes it is true mate
You appear trying says i mean 100% of time he go have better strIght, so you trying ridiculize me or you are a kid without brain, obv i not says this.
And yes im depressed bc i am talking with a kid, who says it is a call bc it is a call, im losting my time with you
wtf, are u retarded or what. Pio calls it about 60-70%
Idk what pio says, but we not be playing vs pio. Playing vs 19/7, UTGvBTN, 120BB deep in a hig rake stake, pio don´t know this
I say i´m bad, but you not convince me to call here, you go without serious arguments atm
I input tigher range than he ussualy will have I believe
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