[z10] trips vs double overbet
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[z10] trips vs double overbet
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players)
BN: $13.03
SB: $16.13 (Hero)
BB: $18.84
UTG: $12.91
MP: $12.45
CO: $14.43
SB: $16.13 (Hero)
BB: $18.84
UTG: $12.91
MP: $12.45
CO: $14.43
villain is a 4-tabler, playing so far 27/24/6 over 40 hands, so looks fairly straight-forward
Preflop
($0.15)
Hero is SB with
K
9
, ,
Flop
($0.60)
9
Q
3
,
on the flop this is probably the worst 9x that i am betting, i think we can still go 4 value with this combos and protection is somewhat important.
Turn
($1.18)
9
Q
3
9
, ,
the 9 is way better for villains range, given that i only cbet A9 and K9. obviously our hand has an interest in tripple barreling, but i thought our range does not allow it, because we have so few valuecombos, so i decided to check range.
vs his overbet there is not really any point in raising imo, i just want to let him bluff.
vs his overbet there is not really any point in raising imo, i just want to let him bluff.
River
($4.18)
9
Q
3
9
A
, ,
on the river i felt like he could exploit my weak line, but elected to fold after all.
the question is with how many flushdraws do we get here given his turn sizing?
another reason to fold was that with this sizing he is never valuebetting any worse 9. makes sense?
the question is with how many flushdraws do we get here given his turn sizing?
another reason to fold was that with this sizing he is never valuebetting any worse 9. makes sense?
Final Pot
BB wins $3.99
Rake is $0.19
Rake is $0.19
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Really interesting hand.
Just a quick question: did you move up to NL10z recently or have you played this limit before?
I could be wrong with this assumption but I think that often times, when a regular finds a new player (40 hands means that you have no infos on him) he treats the new player as a fish.
For this reason, I comfortably fold river here as it's less likely that he tried to bluff you without any info.
on this decision on the river i should fold to. Ur range still contains al flusches for him to go crazy.
aldo I prefer betting over checking on turn.
with which hands do you protect your checking range on the turn then?
with hands that cant go for 3 streets, Q10 -QJ- Q8 type of hands. ( and some % of 99 and q9 probaly )
But if we got info that villians attacks to much when checked on turn i could understand. but we have no info
Hope iam explaining this good in englisch haha
Generally, when you're looking to "protect" your checking range with stronger hands you want to do it with near nut hands that also reduce your opponent's combos that can call down easily. So in this case, hands like QQ, Q9, 99 are all good candidates to check with but a hand like K9 might be better off just betting 3 streets once you bet the flop. Like thewizz said, you're also going to be checking Qx hands on the turn which are going to make reasonable bluffcatchers on the river, especially when they have a diamond too.
but then we have zero 9x in our range (QQ, Q9 and 99 are not a lot of combos) and villain can just go potsize / potsize and we have to fold every single time because he has way more 9x. i would agree if we were cbetting more 9x, but in the OP i said that i mostly only cbet A9 and K9.
could someone put this in a solver maybe, just to see what he like to do with the range on the turn?
If you give me your opening range from the SB and the range you want for BB flatting I'll run it through PIO for you.
that would be great!
we could take for a SB or range something like: 22+ Ax K2s+ K8o+ Q2s+ Q8o+ J6s+ J8o+ T6s+ T8o+ 96s+ 98o+ 74s+ 54s+
BB defending range is more difficult, if you have some default feel free to take it.
but just out of the blue i would go with something like that. if you want to you can give 50% weight to some 3bets like suited broadways, suited wheelaces, 88, 77 etc.
i see that i also fucked it up a little bit, T7o, 98o, 87o should also be in there for sure
So this model isn't perfect because my computer tries to explode when running BVB scenarios but what I discovered is that:
A) We're basically checking range on the turn
B) We fold a lot and basically never raise. So our range is close to uncapped on the river.
C) We fold a lot on the river but K9 is not one of those hands that should be folded.
thank you so much for your effort, it is greatly appreciated! :)
well, at least my intuition about the turn play was alright then.
but given that PIO does not fold any 9x he is getting there with, should make K9o an easy call (y)
nicely done. i like pio but iam not sure this is the best approach against players on NL10. With there general leaks its no that hard to use a good strategy. I dont think we need pio for that.
aldo i wont doubt the outcome from pio
FWIW, I'm not advocating blindly following the results that PIO models spit out but it certainly does help us build baseline strategies and then we can make deviations from those strats. It's really hard to make solid exploitative adjustments without having an idea of what your baseline should be against a really good player.
Also, I honestly didn't know how we should play our range here so it seems unlikely that the average 10NL reg does either.
I'm not sure how 10NL plays, but I wouldn't fold here at 50NL if I got to the river like this.
Your hand is way under-represented and I often see players turning hands like KJ/KT/JT/T8 into bluffs with overbets when your range is capped. If he's a smart thinking player, he can also potentially value bet worse 9s here as well but perhaps not at 10NL.
i am fairly certain, that he is not vbetting most 9x with that sizing, where I instafold most queens
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