well i can haz at least AQ and JT to calldown so might be a bit stationish...

y villain can still haz TJ... actually TJo too... i open them in CO.. so much combs..

wwat about folding on early streets? i think deffo turn is fold vs potbet... maybe even F..
btw OTR u can only hope to stack JT if K or Q comes... from FHs worse u can only on K stack 1c QQ... and on Q theres no worse FH...u obv beat AK on Q... but u dont get that much from it maybe... and to call potbets u need deffo some IO ..

dat thang too stronk or not?
but y, 3b is deffo option
he was unknown , and wanted to keep his worse KX in range and let him make mistake postflop... on other hand i dont know if my hand isnt dominated if i dont 3b... since AQ/AK/QQ+ might 4b me pre making me ez fold

+1

I'd call pre 100%.

Depends of oppo but as Samu said flat > 3bet in mostly cases imho :)

1) Original opener is the one who does most defending
2) We have tons of other hands to defend with, especially if the original raiser calls, we're getting odds to call with most of our hands (pretty much all suited hands and pairs).

I don't see the problem. KQo is definitely strong enough to call.

KJo and QJo are closer, I'd mix it up between all three options with these hands, depending on who I'm playing againts. With KQo I'm calling most of the time.

i dont see how we get odds. we're not closing the action.

Why does the open raiser most of defending? we are in Position and open raiser can 4bet, we dont.

cold calling in general is a bad strat imo

By saying that original raises does most defending I mean that in theory it's mostly up to him to defend versus a squeeze by 4betting and calling, since his range is not capped like our range is. The fact that he is the opener kind of protects us, because even though it's obvious that our range is capped, blinds cannot just squeeze all the time because the original raisers range is not capped.

You mean that cold calling is a bad with any hand, or specifically with KQo? We most certainly can have a cold calling range BTN vs CO, unless CO is super tight and/or blinds are squeezing a ton. Even in this case we can have a calling range, we just have to construct our calling range in a way that we can 4bet some hands (calling with premium hands from time to time).

if you are able to balance yor ranges, fine. but this means that slowplaying must have the same ev then 3betting. i dont believe this is the case in most line ups.

i think an UTG Range is going to protect us way better than a CO range.

Since i've seen Sauce123 3betting 77 BN vs CO, im not sure anymore about having a CC strategy at all. Obv this changes with fishs at the tables.

3bet with 77 is interesting, I find it hard to imagine a scenario where 3betting becomes better than calling, unless we don't want to have a calling range at all.

As far as i remember, sauce123 said that he won't be able to see a flop otherwise.

That is interesting. I wonder if that was just an exploititive line or is getting squeezed really that big of a problem. I remember ERAZ7R saying in one of his videos that he'd call most Axs-hands CO vs BTN. If a hand like A5s is a call, then 77/KQo seems like a good hands to call aswell. I also remember some coach saying that QJo is close CO vs BTN.

I might just come down to what games are you playing in and versus who. Sauce plays versus very tough opponents, so the fact that his calling range CO vs BTN would be very obvious and capped can be a big problem, whereas in smaller games that is hardly a problem.

im acutally disagreeing with ERAZ7R here quite a lot. A5s-A2s are the best 3bet"bluff" hands you have vs basically everyone from everywhere. Look at how your equity changes in a single raised pot compared to a 3bet pot and you will be amazed about your findings. You are going to win more pots postflop too because you put your AXs in a stronger overall range ( 3bet ).

a few quotes from Matthew Janda:

Calling IP isn't really that good for one simple reason:

• We can get squeezed very aggressively by the blinds. And getting blasted off our equity sucks.

Also, we can't call pre-flop with any strong hands unless we think calling with AK/JJ+ is more profitable than 3-betting. Yet it almost certainly isn't because:

• Calling lets CO realize his equity for free
• 3-betting bloats the pot as our opponent has to defend aggressively by calling and 4-betting
• These hands don't play well multiway.

Very interesting stuff. Would you really go as far as not having a calling range at all? Seems very strange to me. And most good players I know definitely have a calling range. And if you don't have a calling range CO vs BTN, that means that your 3betting range becomes linear, would you use a smaller 3bet sizing (6-8bb)?

Made a post: http://www.runitonce.com/nlhe/playing-btn-versus-co-open/

I've been experimenting with it in the last couple of months and it's been working pretty well.
Yes, i do use smaller sizings. Mostly 8BB, vs MR still potsize though.

People adjusted by 4betting a lot. You have to be willing to flat those and beeing lost postflop. But people actually are bluffing way more then i previosly thought in these spots. I do protect my 4bet Flat range by having AA in them and only 5betting KK-QQ for value because i think those hands need most protection pre flop.

btw. never do it vs nits!

Is this only CO vs BTN (only 3bet strategy)? What about MP vs BTN, UTG vs BTN or MP vs CO for example?

I've seen in my database that my MP winrate is significantly better then my CO winrate. Since i've taken poker seriously i've always implemented a linear 3bet/fold strat UTG vs MP. So i started to wonder whether that might be the reason for it.

Since i've changed my ranges to only have a small CC range in the BN and implemented a smaller sizing 3bet/fold in the CO and MP vs OR my winrate has improved significantly but it's still a small sample...

I think beeing in the BN and facing the most strongest opening ranges (UTG,MP) justifies having a CC range. Everybody agrees that stacking off QQ in those spots is at best marginal. So because ranges are already that tight there is more incentive to keep SPR low and to play IP.

saunce 3b 77 to iso the rec iirc and he plays in games that are way more aggro than ipoker NL5, that argument is ridiculous.

If we never flat, we're gonna be forced to defend a lot less, which isnt ideal vs a weak competition.

Yes, but we were talking about the subject in general, not in NL5. Should've mentioned that at some point I guess.