What hands to triple barrel bluff??
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What hands to triple barrel bluff??
I'm trying to work out what hands I should be triple barrel bluffing with. I've put a hand below and I would like to hear your thoughts.
6max I open UTG, the button calls and everyone else folds
Flop: Kd 7c 4h
I bet, opponent calls
Turn : Jc
I bet, opponent calls
River: 2d
- What hands are you bluffing/semi bluffing on flop and turn with??
- And what hands would you bluff the river with??
The obvious semi bluffs for bluffing flop and turn are 65, q10, a10 and club draws. Would you be bluffing all of these hands on the river??
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It is relevant to know which sizings you used, which stakes and type of tables you play.
Just based on this:
Don't think about bluffs first, think about value hands. Which value hands are you betting on river?
AK, KJ, KK, AA, 77: 12 + 9 + 3 + 6 + 3 = 33 combo's.
If you bet pot on the river you would need 1/3rd off the time bluffs. So 33/2 or 16.5 combo's.
Then try to figure out what are the better hands to bluff with. Could be due to blockers and so on.
Personally here I would go for 65s and QT without a club. The reasons being that A high might have some marginal showdown value at lower stakes when people give up.
But in practice I would underbluff this spot. This flop doesn't connect well with BTN's range. On flop they fold a lot, on turn their pocket pairs likely fold a lot. So by river they just have a bunch of made hands, revolving around Kx. I don't play to get them off those type of ranges.
Thanks for the reply really appreciate it.
Couple of things:
I don't understand "So 33/2 or 16.5 combo's." why are you dividing the value combos by 2???
I get really confused with blockers. Would 65s not be one of the opponents main draws they get to the river with, that will fold to a bet. So would bluffing 65s not be bad??
What's your reasons for not bluffing river with the clubs draws I'm bluffing on turn??
Again thanks for taking the time to reply.
That's interesting. I don't float anything in those spots so I wasn't aware of that range lol
The reason I don't put bet sizes is because it seems there are different strategies for different sizes and I'm just trying to get a general overview which you have done perfectly.
What your saying makes a lot of sense.
Thanks Shaun
So when we bet pot we are betting 1 into 1. Opponent needs to call 1 to win 3. Which means we need to bluff 1/3rd off the time. So a 2 to 1 value to bluff ratio.
For every 2 value hands we have 1 bluff. Which means we have halve the bluffs compared to our value range.
I figure BTN doesn't have 65 often preflop. Looking at GTOWizard he does have these the same frequency as QTs preflop. So yeah, you're right. If we consider blockers on river then 65 is not a great bluff candidate.
Personally I like having a Q to bluff with as KQ might be their main calling range. So QT, AQ, Q9 would be my ideal candidates for that reason
Missed flushdraws are a decent part of your opponents folding range. And it doesn't really block your opponents value. So having clubs is a negative effect on your opponents call frequency.
Aah yeah I always forget that's how value to bluff works. Thanks for explaining
Good point on the Q for bluffs didn't think of that.
What flush draws would you expect the opponent to have on the river??
Would depend on your flop betsize, that's why I said it's relevant :).
If you size small on the flop then BTN should call with a lot of backdoor flushdraw hands. A5, A6, A4, AQ, AT, QT, 98 are all possible hands that call flop and will call turn.
You can see here from GTOWizard on the river that the clubs pure check, while other suits mix (UTG betting strategy). It's the same for other combinations
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