Weak Pair facing raise.
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Low Stakes
Weak Pair facing raise.
UTG: $102.55
HJ: $115.95 (Hero)
CO: $127.21
BN: $286.24
SB: $100
BB: $49.50
HJ: $115.95 (Hero)
CO: $127.21
BN: $286.24
SB: $100
BB: $49.50
23/19 (8.7K hands)
Raises flop c-bet = 17%, Flats Open = 10%
Notes: Very aggressive, views me as very aggressive.
I've loads of notes but none with any relevance to this situation.
Raises flop c-bet = 17%, Flats Open = 10%
Notes: Very aggressive, views me as very aggressive.
I've loads of notes but none with any relevance to this situation.
Preflop
($1.50)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
5
6
UTG folds, Hero raises to $3, CO folds, BN calls $3, SB folds, BB folds
UTG folds, Hero raises to $3, CO folds, BN calls $3, SB folds, BB folds
Flop
($7.50)
5
A
3
(2 Players)
Hero bets $5,
BN raises to $13
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I wouldn't open this pre-flop. The BB is going to be your most likely opponent, and you usually don't want to play low SCs against a short stack. Play them against deeper opponents. Also, you really can't do much if the BTN 3-bets.
Is he the type of guy to stab a lot? I'm not a player who likes to gives up initiative and check-call, but it's a decent play here. You have middle pair and some backdoor outs.
The problem here is that you don't have position. BTN only reps A5/A3 (light flats), 33/55 and maybe a light raise with AQ or something, due to dynamics. Even though he doesn't rep much, he likely has two overs, he has 25%?? equity alone, and he can barrel almost any high card turn and river, so you'll have to hero call twice.
Check-calling will also put you in reasonbly tough spots, but the pot is a lot smaller now.
Again, these problems came due to a lighter open when an aggressive opponent had position on you.
i dont hate an open with 56s from EP, if everyone is 100BB effectively deep, since we have implied odds.
1) Im usually not a nit in these types of situations, but its probably a bet/fold... i just dont see how profitable this hand can play out, when your OOP with a capped hand range, while VIllain can barrel you on multiple streets.
*) If VIllain is the type that likes to raise alot of flops, the construct a more balance C/C range, and essentially play 2-street poker with VIllain on turn/river
Think it's a bit too light pre and I probably just shrug and fold flop after cbetting. Weird flop for him to raise though.
So we all agree that his raise on the flop is kind of full of it? Isn't there another line than the obvious bet-fold? Otherwise, an aggressive reg might just start blasting in position, and we'll have to fold everything that isn't the top of our range.
I hate the check-call line I suggested, but I guess it's less bad than bet-fold, in spots where you know it's going to happen a lot.
The call on the flop isn't that bad, but we're folding because we're out of position and we will not get to showdown profitably, right?
Hey Chael, you're totally right, he appears to be full of it and its very possible that we have the best hand. This is basically why I add the "shrug" before I say fold haha.
But the key here is we don't have to win every pot in poker. Sometimes we just have a really sticky hand that is not gonna play well against his bluffing or value range and thus we fold it knowing that we very well could be folding the best hand. The reason we can do this (and its good to do this) is because we have given ranges for every spot. For instance in this spot we have a ton of better hands to defend against his flop raise. We will have so many Ax, that it's no problem to just wait until we have one of those which have amazing equity against his bluffing range.
If he is indeed raising this flop as a bluff, you better be sure he's gonna keep doing it because he thinks its good (it's not), eventually he's gonna have problems against our overall range.
Parker: if you're betfolding 5x here, stove your range and I'm pretty sure raising as a bluff is going to be +ev vs you. It is actually a good spot to raise against quite a lot of people (stat-dependent of course) because they cbet too much, and don't continue with enough of that range vs a raise.
Uri, I know what you are saying and you are technically right. In a vaccuum, if someone raises against my default strategy on this board, it will be +EV.
But rest assured, if someone is actually raising my cbets with consistency (and thus a very wide range) on A53r, things aren't going to end well for them.
You may try rereraise to 35 , id like that line there, ye flop is full of it~
We shouldnt have a bet/3-bet range on this type of board texture. if we do 3-bet, our hand range is also pretty narrow, and i dont see ourselves having 24 in our EP opening range.
*) Are we really bet/3-betting with 33/55? I would assume the majority of players are taking the bet/call line with their whole hand range.
In this spot, 56 is probably the bottom half of my betting range on flop, thus making it bet/fold(at least for me)
Even though its a weired line i dont expect to get bluffraised on rainbow A high boards often....so imo its totally fine to just fold here...even though XC seems to be a solid option as well for given easons
Versus the guy with just the right level of thinking you can get away with a 3bet bluff here but my default is definitely to fold.
Basically, versus someone who is thinking very simply you're probably crushed by a strong value range. Versus a really good player you'll either be against a balanced range or your 3bet bluff will essentially turn your hand face up (as some sort of air/marginal holding) and he can just 4bet jam happily. But certain players will know the board is dry and that lots of your range can't handle a range but will not realize that your 3betting range consists entirely of air by default.
dont open with sc's pre flop with an aggressive player on btn( most of the time will 3 bet pre)
flop : c bet is ok ,i think 5$ bet is a bit big.
fold to is raise ,and wait for a better spot to 3 bet
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