vs coldcall 3bet on bb

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vs coldcall 3bet on bb

HJ: 46.93
CO: 50
BN: 100.96
SB: 51.75 (Hero)
BB: 51.96
Preflop (0.75) (5 Players)
Hero was dealt T T
HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to 1, Hero raises to 4, BB calls 3.50, BN folds
Flop (9.25) 3 A J (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets 5.25, Hero calls 5.25
Turn (19.75) 3 A J J (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets 9, Hero calls 9
River (37.75) 3 A J J 4 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets 33.71, and is all in, Hero calls 33.50, and is all in

Hello guys . Button regular 50%steal . On BB villain 22/18 3bet 7% coldcall3bet on bb -3% open4bet 3% wtsd 24 wwsf 46 wsd 51 . Fold to cb in 3bp -46 % , bet IP to chek 3bpot 31% flop 0 turn 0 river 5k hands . My 3bet sb vs bu 12 % . I looks for hime like tricky guy

For me his range looks like KQs 88-JJ or AQs 

1)This is a norm line ?

2)Сan we play this hand another way ?

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SatayIsAwesome 11 years ago

Um so the river is a definite fold... 

He'd bet both a A and a jack on the flop and when the J pairs, He's most likely going to Bet his A and calling is spew...even if he's bluffing he's not doing it nearly often enough to makes this profitable...

laguna 11 years ago

I think hands like Jx dont bet flop on my chek  and also not always AQ bet on turn . 

CombatCarl 11 years ago

I would probably check/fold on flop, it's just way too hard to play oop looking at the texture against a decent player. I don't mind betting once on flop biggish to give up on later streets though.

I think check/calling on this flop texture creates a confusion on later streets and just a ton of cards that could peel that is bad for us.

Saren113 11 years ago

As played I would fold this turn, he won't barrel this card "light" He will only barrel hands that got you crushed on that turn. He would most likely just take the freecard if he had something like a gutter etc. And I agree that this play is just burning money. What do you hope for OTR?    

laguna 11 years ago

sb: shows [9c 9s] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)

hero: shows [Tc Ts] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)

CombatCarl 11 years ago

Assuming his range could be PP heavy all of them which you beat given action pre is not a bad read but at the same assuming that they will turn those hands into a bluff on a board texture which seemingly smashed your 3bet range is a high variance play. 

So, I still dislike this line. I kind of knew you won the hand though, obviously. 

AcousticKitty 11 years ago

Pre. He can have ATo+ (including AJ and sometimes AK the he didn't choose to 4b), All suited broadways, QKo. Plus all pocket pairs. Including 33 and JJ.

Flop. Almost his entire range is betting some of the time. The lower PP's are likely to either check back or bet once then give up.

Turn. I think this is a fold. It's not a great card to bluff and he could certainly have boated up. But if we call here, we should certainly be folding the river.

River. We should be folding. Unless we think he turned QTs, KTs or KQ into a bluff and let's say that he doesn't bet AT (we block a decent amount of that anyway) then he is going to show up with a better hand than us a lot of the time.

I don't think it is too profitable to be call that river without a prior read.


RaoulFlush 11 years ago

Siriously... He bets 32/0/0 vs missed cb in 3betpots over 5k hands and you decide that he bluffs you here? And are right this time...lol

Daz 11 years ago

Looks like a soul read, those stats are meaningless. This line is never gonna work in the long run for the reasons mentioned above however we are human and sometimes we are capable of lines that can't be explained by the maths and stats. Sometimes we can find an extraordinary play. 

Maybe the turn play is interesting. If villain did exhibit pot control lines then the turn bet is extremely polar other than that it would be tough to ever recommend taking a check/call line here. 

James Hudson 11 years ago

Calling the flop is already on the ligher side so calling down two additional streets is almost definitely going to be lighting money on fire. There's generally something wrong with either your ranges or villain's ranges if your entire flop calling range calls turn and river. You should have Jx here sometimes and some Ax too, just ditch the 10's.

Chael Sonnen 11 years ago

If you're going to call the turn, then the river call isn't horrible.
But calling the turn in the first place is bad. Your spade blocks some FDs, and the TT block some gutshots. So he has to be barreling a no-equity hand to be good here.

If you play some Jx and Ax this way, you'll have plenty of hands to defend with.

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