Using bluffcatchers, Question
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Using bluffcatchers, Question
BB: $54.19
HJ: $53.40 (Hero)
CO: $33.87
BN: $95.27
SB: $53.61
HJ: $53.40 (Hero)
CO: $33.87
BN: $95.27
SB: $53.61
Preflop
($0.75)
(5 Players)
Hero was dealt
8
T
Hero raises to $1.50, CO folds, BN folds, SB folds, BB calls $1
Hero raises to $1.50, CO folds, BN folds, SB folds, BB calls $1
Villain was unknown reg
Flop
($3.25)
T
7
3
(2 Players)
BB checks,
Hero bets $2.11,
BB raises to $4.22,
Hero calls $2.11
Villain was unknown reg
Turn
($11.69)
T
7
3
3
(2 Players)
BB bets $5.50,
Hero calls $5.50
River
($22.69)
T
7
3
3
J
(2 Players)
BB bets $10.50,
Hero calls $10.50
Final Pot
BB has
9
J
BB
wins $41.72
Which of these both plans would be more willing or better to use?
Plan A) We Re-raise the flop, as we have this top pair bluff catcher... If Villain calls or 5bets, he is doing this with the best hand only, so its an easy fold... When we call, we protect ourselves from tough decisions on Turn/River, where we would otherwise need to hero call, if any High-Card or 3rd tone hits.
Plan B) We use our bluffcatcher and call him, putting him on a flush draw... (but we don't know either he has a draw or good hand), and Turn/River calls are standart, if it bring no 3rd tone... And if it hits Overcard, he would use it for a scarecard too, so we call in hope that he has air?
So I was usually using the plan A and saved from lot of troubles, but I was curious, which of both options is "best"?
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- what´s his calling-range pre (what does he 3-bet/flat with)
- what´s your image at the table
- did you have any history with each other
- do you have any specific reads on this guy
- what´s his postflop-aggression (f/t/r)
- what´s his x/r on the flop
- what´s his WTSD/W$SD and his W$WSF
and son on ... That would help narrowing down his range.
Second, if you 3-bet the flop - solely with the intention to give-up when Villain does not fold - you could use 42o as well, right? Would you 3-bet the flop with 42o? Do you really expect any fold equity?
That said, this is a draw-heavy board, giving Villain tons of possible draws. Once he min-x/r you it´s pretty unlikely he´s giving up against a 3-bet, making a 3-bet as a bluff pretty nonsensical. Not to mention that you have TP, backdoor-flush-draw, block topset and have position. You got THE NUTS. :-D Turning that into a bluff would be pretty atrocious. That said, there´s only one single reason for 3-betting: for value.
So, let´s look at his range. What value-range is he repping? I´d say close to zero. He probably would 3-bet any overpair, so, there are only 9 combos of 2pair or better (1 x TT, 3 x 77, 3 x 33, 2 x T7s). Then recognize his raise-size. Does that look like a set to you? I strongly doubt that. But on the other hand there are myriads of draws outside.
So, I´d say we have the best hand close to 100% and there´s only one decision left: 3-bet/call or slowplay and let him continue barreling. With all the draws out there and us not knowing which cards will improve him I´d strongly advocate 3-betting and calling it off. As played you played it fine.
So bluff catcher should serve as a bluff catcher not value hand.
Flop we call, given the size, the blocker, the draws.
Turn is good card for us - makes a set of 3 less likely.
River J kind of connects with the flop, few draws hit there, few draws made a top pair. Before callin the flop raise i would probably stick to the plan to fold if a spade or A hits the board.
Now his sizing is very interesting, it doesn't look like a bluff so the call on river is definitely marginal, but we can call and expect to be good sometimes, and just gain information about his post flop play.
Yes.
As far as "bluffcatchers should serve as bluffcatchers not value hands" goes, you should think about your entire range. We have an airpairt on this flop as well - and we want to be able to rebluff Villain. The thinner we go for value against his draws, the harder it gets for him to just bluff us with his equity hands.
A) We gain more value from his draws when he misses.
B) We make it much less likely that he'll try to donk some bullshit type overcard hand he hits like the jack for thin value when we show aggression on the turn making him much easier to play against.
C) It's much cheaper to reraise/fold the turn when he's already got us beat than it is to call/muck the river.
D) I really wouldn't worry about getting rebluffed at all here. The villain's range is very draw heavy since he didn't 3bet on the river and didn't check/raise large enough OOP to try to blow us off anything but air, and made hands probably won't be doing that with a 2 tone flop OOP. We however have all of the solid made hands like Top notch pairs and sets in our range, so if villain starts to try to rebluff us on the turn in spots like this, our range's equity absolutely steamroll's his with the hands we can continue with, and we'll make lots of money in the long run getting our stacks in with about 80% equity against a draw. Not to mention that with the board being paired, it almost looks like we're inviting him to get great odds to call for a spade that's actually drawing dead.
This just seems mentally lazy to me. It's also pretty bad for balance. What is your calling range going to look like if you 3 bet all your medium strength hands on this kind of board? It seems like it would only be draws and potentially some slowplays making you pretty vulnerable to barrels. Also, you allow villain to play his draws incredibly aggressively vs you because he knows you 3 bet flops wide for "value" and even find folds with some of those value hands.
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