Upswing Poker in 2020?
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Upswing Poker in 2020?
Hi guys, does anybody here subscribe to Upswing? There is a deal right now that cuts the first month's price in half, I never felt like $100 for the first month was worth it, but $50 is looking pretty attractive.
I have FTGU and Essential on here, but I find the lack of structure a bit difficult, and the fact that everything is in video format makes it hard to adhere to with a busy schedule.
Is upswing still worth it or is it becoming outdated? Can I just get all the same info from their articles and youtube channel? I'm playing NL2 - NL10
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You can use the learning paths for more structure.
Thanks, I've tried but it still leaves more structure to be desired. Plus I have time for maybe one video a day, I can get through non-video modules a lot faster.
Upswing Poker Lab is both From the Ground Up and Essential, a bit... .
Upswing Lab has 5 sections: Core, Beyond Core, MTT, Live Cash, and Play&Explain.
Core strategy: Is comparable to what From the Ground Up teaches you in selective Cbetting. You get ranges, deviating from those charts and a strategy postflop that's very comparable to selective cbetting. There are some other things there such as Doug Polk's 10.000$ challenge. Ryan Fee playing microstakes for 10k hands, going over some spots, etc... .
Beyond Core Strategy is what I would consider part of Essential and Elite here. It's a bunch of concepts being fleshed out, solver work, ... .
A full list: Resources, Blockers, The Big Blind, Multiway Pots, Overbets, GTO with Matthew Janda, 4-bet pots, Mastering Database software, Deep Stack Strategy, One on one coaching with Doug, One on One coaching with Ryan Fee, Intro to Solver based strategy, When to Cbet everything, SRP BTN vs BB, 3-bet pots OOP, 3-bet pots IP, 3-bet pots as OOP caller, SRP BvB, SRP OOP, Reintroduction to Multiway pots, Highstakes multiway pots in action, Check-raising from the BB, Probe and vs Delay cbet on the turn.
All of the modules in Beyond Core strategy listed there are above three hours long, often more than four hours.
MTT and Live Poker I didn't really look into. Play&Explain is the coaches playing and explaining their actions.
What I mainly liked about Upswing Lab is that all coaches are focused on teaching you the strategy from Upswing Poker. While on RIO you have a lot of different coaches and a lot of different strategies. The structure on Upswing Poker is better in my opinion.
But it's just the content you are paying for there. Their community is a Facebook group. And I disliked that! I didn't even have Facebook so had to make one. You have no clue if the person replying to you is any good, a new member, an old member, or even an actual coach. Very few coaches seem active there. And when I asked questions about solver work very few people replied. I did then get the help from Fried Meulders though, which was nice.
Hope this helped you a bit to decide. If you have any more detailed questions, feel free to ask.
Thanks so much, this is super helpful :)
Core basically sounds kind of useless? Does beyond core follow the same organized approach as core? And also, is the content as good as their free articles (explained super logically with reasons behind everything)
I wouldn't say Core is useless. The start is very tailored towards new players. From the Ground Up expects you to have a basic understanding of Poker. Upswing Lab Core expects you to know nothing. But it's more than just that. It talks about how to act in 3-bet pots OOP, IP, as the PFR, PFC, Betsizing, has a quiz for rangework, Game selection, mental game, mental biases,... .
If you could link me to their free articles I could have an idea, I never read one. But most is explained well with reasoning behind it. Do keep in mind that there are different coaches. Doug Polk does most stuff in Core Strategy and only a little in the other modules. Ryan Fee does a lot in Beyond Core alongside two other coaches. MTT's are three coaches I think? They recently signed All in Pav from twitch didn't they? Live cash is one coach.
Ryan Fee seems to do most of the work, also working with the newer coaches if needed. To me it seemed that Doug Polk started it but after setting up the initial stuff let Ryan Fee do most of it all. So don't expect the same thing that you see in Doug Polk videos. But I myself did like Ryan Fee a lot.
As far as new content goes, there's a new section (3 to 4 hours usually) every month. But sometimes it's MTT, sometimes cash, etc... . If you're not into those things then that new content is useless for you. You are basicly paying a fee to keep access to the abundance of content that there is.
Thanks for the in depth explanation, I really appreciate this :)
Here are some upswing articles ranging from simple to advanced:
https://upswingpoker.com/bet-size-strategy-tips-rules/
https://upswingpoker.com/c-bet-3-bet-pots-ip/
https://upswingpoker.com/vs-cbet-monotone-flops/
If stuff like this comes in organized module format then I'm sold :)
Edit: If the articles cover all the paid material in the same detail then I'll settle for articles! :p
One thing I really didn't like from upswing is their "20 rules to _" pdf's, I found these to formulaic without much of the kind of logical explanations I love from upswing's articles. I hope upswing has logical explanations for various strategic lines like the articles do?
You can compare the video instructions to the free articles. It isn't really so clear cut in "rules" perse.
The Core Strategy section tends to have a video explaining everything but also a written section which you can compare to the articles.
Beyond Core has no written section but covers everything in lots of videos.
I think they tried it once with rules for flushdraws. But that stuff got archived and is no longer part of the main path as the coaches considered it outdated.
Is Janda making new content for Upswing? Or is it rehashed content from Cardrunners? Janda is the only guy that can teach correctly imo.
If I look on their Poker Pro's part of the website then I don't see him. So I don't think so no.
Upswing's best coach is Fried Meulders (aka mynameiskarl) and it's not even close. 10x better than Janda.
Hey guys, I ended up grabbing the lab. The core section looks pretty meh and I wish they had more examples and more in depth explanations since it's a bunch of stuff I know already. But beyond core looks pretty good.
What I'm wondering, does Lab get updated often enough to stay current? And is there anything in Upswing Lab that can't be found in their free articles?
I got kind of disappointed when the core bet size module just said to choose 75% pot for all 3 streets in SRP's, which is way more basic then what I've learned from free Upswing articles. I hope beyond core rebuilds on that, explains why 75% isn't good everywhere, and re-explains why to use different bet sizes.
Also, where can I access their archived stuff like the flush draw rules?
They have a new module every month.
If you use the search function on their website and type "Archive" you should find it. Last I know it had 3 modules in there.
They do in other modules. "Beyond Core 13 - When to CBET everything" is an example of when you would use a small cbet size.
Was somewhat expected after you had already gotten From the Ground Up.
I'm so glad you asked this question because I'm almost exactly like you SpankoPita22 . And lllCitanul, thank you for the great responses, now I know what to expect. I enjoyed From the Ground Up but I agree with SpankoPita22. I've tried to use the learning path and didn't enjoy the layout. From the way it's been described I'm pretty sure I would enjoy Upswing's structure much more. It's just a personal preference and seems better suited for the way I learn. Thanks.
SpankoPita22 , where did you find the discount? I may buy it too. I checked the official site but there isn't any discount there.
That post is 4 months+ old. Likely that the discount period is over.
Lol. Didn't notice that. Someone commented today and I thought the post was new as well.
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