Two 3 bet pot river hands. Value bet or not?
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Two 3 bet pot river hands. Value bet or not?
***** Hand History for Game 531058821072 ***** (On Game)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, March 03, 01:49:37 ET 2013
Table Tempe (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: sayBB ( $168.35 USD )
Seat 8: fraydison ( $190.00 USD )
Seat 9: op7ex ( $87.98 USD )
Seat 10: Djoko1980 ( $116.18 USD )
op7ex posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Djoko1980 posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Djoko1980 [ Ks Kh ]
sayBB folds
fraydison raises [$2.50 USD]
op7ex folds
Djoko1980 raises [$8.00 USD]
fraydison calls [$6.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 8h, 3s ]
Djoko1980 bets [$9.50 USD]
fraydison calls [$9.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
Djoko1980 bets [$19.00 USD]
fraydison calls [$19.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
Villian is 24/18 over 151 hands. This is his first call of a 3 bet (of 3), so don't know his ranges/tendencies in 3 bet pots.
In single raised pots so far, he has come a lot to showdown. Hes been folding 13 % to cbets (of 8) and 0 % on turn (of 2). His WTSD is 47 %
Do we shove here?
Hand number two:
***** Hand History for Game 5310509805119 ***** (On Game)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, March 02, 11:50:30 ET 2013
Table Lilongwe (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Seat 3: Nexab2 ( $109.80 USD )
Seat 5: Yubikey ( $130.51 USD )
Seat 6: Fr_Mercury ( $78.94 USD )
Seat 8: DogFredo ( $208.17 USD )
Seat 9: Djoko1980 ( $98.50 USD )
Seat 10: casssbery ( $25.38 USD )
Nexab2 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Yubikey posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Djoko1980 [ Qd Qc ]
Fr_Mercury folds
DogFredo raises [$3.65 USD]
Djoko1980 raises [$9.00 USD]
casssbery folds
Nexab2 folds
Yubikey calls [$8.00 USD]
DogFredo calls [$5.35 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 7s, 8c ]
Yubikey checks
DogFredo checks
Djoko1980 bets [$16.00 USD]
Yubikey calls [$16.00 USD]
DogFredo folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
Yubikey checks
Djoko1980 checks
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
Yubikey checks
Villian is 28/16 over 266 hands. Calls 3 bet 50 % of the time (of 6). Has 0 % 4 bet. Hes been folding 100 % so far in 3 bet pots (of 2). His WTSD is 11 %
Do we value bet here?
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2: I think this is too thin. I usually put villains who overcall on KQ-AQ, 88-JJ, JTs, QJs, some combos of QQ+, sometimes AK. Something along those lines anyways and it obv varies with villain. Most of that range either folded flop or beats you now. I am tempted though to bet because its unlikely you get c/r bluffed and you d assume that most of his better hands to bet themselves however I think it could be still a bit thin as we have to get Jx to make a bad call and hope that he is really betting everything better. Some loose passives get strange ideas about slowplaying in some spots.
On hand 2 it probably look pretty bluffy to him and I think it's a good spot to valuebet thin. I don't think he will fold a jack and I think people tend to fast play sets on this kind of board. (especially when they are in between 2players. Although it's rainbow, any 5, 6, 9, T is pretty bad for him, so I think he will check raise flopped sets. But if we still would give him sets we would have 71% equity against a range of AJ, KJs, QJs, 77, 88, TT)
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