turn play and river raise question
Posted by Cosme Fulanito
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Cosme Fulanito
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turn play and river raise question
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (9 Players)
BN: $50.08
SB: $94.79
BB: $50.00
UTG: $55.22
UTG+1: $45.46
MP: $64.13 (Hero)
MP+1: $50.00
MP+2: $63.49
CO: $69.72
SB: $94.79
BB: $50.00
UTG: $55.22
UTG+1: $45.46
MP: $64.13 (Hero)
MP+1: $50.00
MP+2: $63.49
CO: $69.72
Preflop
($0.75)
Hero is MP with
Q
Q
, , , , , , ,
Flop
($7.75)
3
Q
6
, , , , , , ,
Turn
($16.75)
3
Q
6
T
, ,
River
($37.55)
3
Q
6
T
2
, , ,
Final Pot
MP
lost and shows three of a kind, Queens.
CO wins and shows a flush, Ace high.
CO wins $130.51
Rake is $2.50
CO wins and shows a flush, Ace high.
CO wins $130.51
Rake is $2.50
unk villian, is turn a check raise? I am not very concerned of draws on the flop, and it is not that common for people to bet overcards into 5way pot.
Is river raise too greedy? I am not supposed to have a flush based on my flop play so I think QT, 33 66 TT maybe AQ will call my river shove.
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TT probably dont bet flop multiway. He is not bluffing too obviously so he can only have 33, 66, QTo (There are no more QTs combos, since there is only the Qd left and the Td is on the board. I dont know if he flats this hand pre but lets be optimistic) and AQ. Since we know villain isnt bluffing (and therefore isnt folding, since he see your range as capped and there arent many valu combos) , you could raise/gii OTT, balancing it with some A high FDs and OESD. As played, I think river shove > call EVwise since the only flush he van have is AQdd
If villain is never folding, we don't want to balance our range with draws.
@Samu that would be in a perfect world where villain never adjust against us. When he realizes our range is too value heavy, he will start to fold more, and therefore we can add bluffs. You can't just play only for value forever, even at lower stakes
That is true, but at the same time, I would never shove as a (semi)bluff if I knew that villain never folds, that doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I would rather just have a valuerange AND keep in mind that I have only shoved valuehands for a while now versus this specific villain and use that information later, when we run into a situation where villain might already know our plan and might start to adjust.
In a multiway pot you should go for value and bet. I like the river shove because villain will surely make many crying calls given the pot odds. The more we have left behind on the river, the less i would x/raise-
Imo you played it fine. He plays 33,66, and AdQd this way.
Well played. Villain should not have a flush very often since he cbets 5way, he should not do that with too many random backdoor flushdraws.
River is kind of awkward since our shove looks so goddamn strong. But villain is getting supergood odds to call and many players are bad, so I would just go for a valueshove.
Yeah there`s like just 3 combos of flushes and 6 combos of sets (66,33,AQs,KQs,QJs) so shoving is fine.
Your hand does look like a slowplayed set or QJ,KQ,AQdd so probably just calling vs better regs.
Well played!
He had Ad3d.
Thanks everybody
Might be a bit of a paranoiac but I would just raise turn, although it might lose you value (i`m not sure).
Maybe a completed flush on river could kill some of your action against AQ,33,66.
I like it, well played! I'm not a big fan of a flop lead, because the hands we're getting multiple streets from are probably betting anyway, and once we lead, we look so goddamn strong + we block a ton of potential calldowns.
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