Turn and river play bottom2Pair 3B pot OOP Deep
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Turn and river play bottom2Pair 3B pot OOP Deep
Blinds: $1.00/$2.00 (6 Players)
MP: $387.65
CO: $209.47
BN: $378.47
SB: $200.00
BB: $314.89 (Hero)
UTG: $111.83
CO: $209.47
BN: $378.47
SB: $200.00
BB: $314.89 (Hero)
UTG: $111.83
Preflop
($3.00)
Hero is BB with
4
5
, , , ,
I probably missread the stack because I made this small size
Flop
($29.00)
A
4
5
,
Turn
($65.72)
A
4
5
7
, ,
Turn raise 3b pot 5%(44)
Fvs CB IP 3B pot 43
Fvs CB IP 3B pot 43
River
($297.72)
A
4
5
7
J
, ,
I think that 5% its low%?! so i mustnt care how up I am in my turn range?!
Also I have better hands like A4s-57s 63s-86s and AA
Ty
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i'm pretty sure folding or shoving turn is better than calling, and cry call a lot of river where he'll not bluff a lot
Why? Seems like a bad response, since we aren't letting him realizing his bluffs.
i don't think he will bluff a lot river
I would play the same, never folding turn however. We block 55,44 etc, I probably favor calling like 54 here over A4s since we block more sets and we win vs the same type of hands pretty much.
Would you call river shove?
Yupp, mostly because of the blocker reasons. What we lose to is basically:
44 (1)
55 (1)
A4s (1)
A5s (1)
77 (3)
86s (4)
To me it seems like the majority of these hands might not even play this way. Calling flop with 86s without fd or bdfd is probably a bit ambitious. I'm not rly convinced he is going to play any of the hands above like this way always. Some of this hands he might never play this way like A4s/A5s probably doesn't even raise turn. I can't rly find good words, or maybe I'm lost about this spot. If it's bad to call it can't rly be that bad because of blockers etc. We don't block any air at all .
I'm trying to give villain a bluffing range that makes sense, maybe A6, 66 and 6Xcc?
A6 is probably always calling, too strong to raise. But typically flushdraws, 6xcc, fd+str8draw etc seems like reasonable bluffs for villain. Something like 76s or 65s seems like closer bluffing combos than A6.
yes, i would consider 5 % turn raise pretty low, but also would look how much he wins at SD when he does so, if you have 44 opportunities for him raising turn in 3b pot, that should be huge hand sample.
so, his value range is A4-A7s, 44, 55, 75s, 86s (2 combos), so total around 13 combos, and his bluff range is smth like 65s, 76s, maybe 66 or 88 once in a year, so total ~ 6 combos, i would not count in any air hands pretty much never. So against his semibluff range we have ONLY ~ 64%, and we are drawing pretty much dead against his value range. So i think calling is out of question, since we let him realize his semi bluffs "cheap. imo the choice is between shove/fold.
if you think he might play semibluffs aggressively and hes not weighted towards value majority of the time , shove is a better option. i would choose calling stronger hands on turn, like A4, A5, and AA
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