TPWK 3way OOP 25nl Zoom

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TPWK 3way OOP 25nl Zoom

BN: $10.37
SB: $52.08
BB: $32.60
UTG: $25.10 (Hero)
HJ: $34.36
CO: $30.25
Both villains are unknown regs pretty much. MP plays 29/21 after 30 hands, BB plays 21/15 after 900 hands. BB folds 40% to cbets so far, and seems pretty tight overall.
Preflop ($0.35) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 4 A
Hero raises to $0.75, HJ calls $0.75, CO folds, BN folds, SB folds, BB calls $0.50
I know a lot of people fold here, but I discovered in my database that I lose with 22-55/66 UTG, so decided to leave that out of my UTG range and open some suited aces instead, esp the small suited aces.
Flop ($2.35) 2 T A (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.68, HJ folds, BB calls $1.68
This is where the hand gets interesting I think. I really had no clue what to do. Tbh I think I am highly unlikely to get called by worse, but I also think that checking and having MP to bet or the situation where he checks and BB bets any turn is pretty hard to play since it is hard to say if he can bluff there since I and MP are unlikely to have top pair or better. I estimate that MP folds 68% of the time vs a cbet (gave him 9% flatting range in flopzilla and let him only call top pair and flush draws), and guess BB folds 60% (same callingrange and added come suited aces and suited connectors). Since 0.6x0.68=0.40, my cbet is profitable since it has to work only around 40% and I also have equity. Therefore, I think my cbet is good.
Turn ($5.71) 2 T A 4 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.82, BB calls $3.82
Assuming callingrange I gave BB on flop, I have 81% equity vs his range. If I assume he folds 50% of flush draws, I have 79% equity vs his callingrange on turn. Therefore, I think the turn is a clear valuebet.
River ($13.35) 2 T A 4 9 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.50, BB calls $7.50
On the river he folds all flush draws and folds A3s/A5s, I still have 74% equity, and therefore I think I have to bet the river again.
Final Pot
Hero has 4 A Hero wins $27.07
Sorry for the spoiler, my bad. It is my first hand here, so have to get used to it. Curious about your feedback, esp about flop play :) Looking forward working with you guys.

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imSiankO 11 years, 11 months ago
You do get called by worst on the flop, HJ's range should contain a lot of two broadway cards, so he's probably going to peel at least the flop with his gutshots, he's also unlikely to fold QQ/JJ if he doesnt 3bet those pre in those positions. You can't give both BB and HJ's range a free card with that flop texture, it's just too drawy, therefore you should cbet the flop both for value and for protection.

I would probably cbet slightly bigger on the river as you said he's folding everything that doesn't have an A in it looks he either has a good kicker or he's fishy/weak (for flatting a random Ax bad kicker OOP vs EP/MP) he's still not going to fold his TP, it also allows you to rep better a busted flush draw, for those reasons i'd probably bet around $9.50 on the river.
Insilicio 11 years, 11 months ago
I think I disagree about your points on river. I think he should call his suited aces pre flop, given the fact that he gets really good odds and can close the action. I figured that with this river sizing, he would always call with top pair, and I thought that if I had bet a larger sizing, that he would fold too often. Am I giving 25nl regs too much credit here? I mean like, I cbet 3way and barrel 3, so I look incredibly strong, so to still get some calls I thought this sizing was good. Was even thinking about smaller, but figured this would get calls from Ax almost always.
efas 11 years, 11 months ago
Don't really need to do any hard math to conclude that flop cbet is a must, you don't want to give 2 people a free card, and there are a lot of worse hands that are calling you. Turn - pretty sure we have the best hand here, we can bet a bit larger - if he have a draw he is calling anyway. River is a blank, almost nothing changes, we have the best hand here most of the time, i don't really seem him having a strong hand here, AJ-T9 at best. That being said its logical to bet smaller, but then again - hes probably not folding his ace, and you can bet few bucks more.
wuwei 11 years, 11 months ago
I actually don't mind checking the flop. If we check, HJ will often take a stab. From his perspective, we will often give up after checking and BB will fold his PPs. Therefore, I want to check/call some top pairs. If HJ stabs and BB calls or raises we have an easy fold. I think the argument that we get called by worse on the flop is not really valid because we just don't get our hand to SD very often playing in the sandwich. Therefore, I would classify the flop bet more as a semibluff. Once we hit we have a clear value bet on turn and river.
efas 11 years, 11 months ago
Even if he stabs - he wont go too far with his bluffs unless we know that he is aggro postflop, but general player won't go crazy in this spot. And he might bet with his equity, and check back turn when we call to see cheap river. And if he don't stab - you just let them a free turn.
Checking here is an option - but i prefer it doing when we are HU, and i have a read on opponent tendencies.
Insilicio 11 years, 11 months ago
Well, you win more vs air if he bets once compared to having him folding right?

What about a rainbow flop? I think I would always check in this case to win maximum vs air, and I also think once u c/c a board like this, they will put u on Ax and won't try to bluff u on later streets. However, if I was scared to get bluffed, I would bet this hand, and c/c stronger hands and planning to call down. Thoughts?
James Hudson 11 years, 11 months ago
I like check calling flop too. When we bet we isolate ourselves vs the stronger parts of villains range and our hand isn't really going to be able value bet multiple streets or improve very often. Additionally, when we bet this hand we can't stand a raise yet still have the best hand/ some equity when we get raised a decent chunk of the time.
Insilicio 11 years, 11 months ago
U mean c/c this board or the rainbow one? And why do you want to care about getting raised? I mean, this is 25nl zoom, if you get raised 3way vs a cbet they just have it so u can easily fold and be sure they have a better hand. Also like, if you think they might barrel river with a missed draw but you are not sure, do you cbet? I think c/c is best too since they never bluff 3 streets, but if I am not sure about that I rather go for the ''safe play'' and cbet. What do you think about that reasoning? Is it bad to make the hand ''easy to play'' in order to avoid bigger mistakes on later streets? (like calling where you are always beat without knowing)

*Tnx for your comment man.
James Hudson 11 years, 11 months ago
I think both boards are probably good to check call this hand. As far as not knowing whether they're going to 3 barrel bluff you when you check call here, you also don't know whether they're going to bluff raise you a bunch on this kind of board when you continuation bet. To be honest, I think both scenarios are pretty unlikely given the stakes. That being said though, we don't always want hands in our flop check calling range that are ALWAYS check calling down or villain has no incentive to bluff with anything but high equity hands. It's kind of annoying when we check call and face 3 barrels with this hand but try to think of your range as a whole and how it's doing when it faces 3 barrels. Additionally, if you check call twice with this hand and face a third barrel then in all likelihood villain was going to raise flop or turn or call twice and then you'd be in tough spot on the river.
Insilicio 11 years, 11 months ago
More thoughts about river sizing? Like basically, do you guys think that people call the same range vs 7.5 compared to 9??
wuwei 11 years, 11 months ago
I think you want to get called by AK, AQ, AJs, Th9h and the occasional A2s. Out of these, AQ and AJs may care about the bet size and may want to play a small pot. However, you should try to rep a busted draw which probably would bet big. If you bet small, it may look suspicious. Therefore, I prefer a bet of around 10.
BigFiszh 11 years, 11 months ago
"I know a lot of people fold here, but I discovered in my database that I lose with 22-55/66 UTG, so decided to leave that out of my UTG range and open some suited aces instead, esp the small suited aces."

I don´t understand that part, it sounds as if you want to maintain a certain % of UTG-opens so as you eliminated the small pockets you had to look for a substitute. That´s bad. You should play hands that are +EV. If you´re unsure how to continue postflop you probably shouldn´t open those. No offense intended, just some food to think about.

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