TPTK facing raise on flop
Posted by Jay Blue
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TPTK facing raise on flop
GG Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
MP: 98.6 BB
CO: 146.9 BB
BTN: 100 BB
SB: 178.9 BB
BB: 243.6 BB
Hero (UTG): 113.5 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As K h
Hero raises to 2.5 BB, MP calls 2.5 BB, CO calls 2.5 BB, fold, SB calls 2 BB, fold
Flop : (11 BB, 4 players) Jh 6d Ah
SB checks, Hero bets 7.3 BB, fold, CO raises to 32.9 BB, fold, Hero raises to 111 BB and is all-in
Very common spot that i'd like some input on. My only read on villain is that he's 27/12 and hasn't 3 bet yet. I feel that villains range is 66,AQ,AJ,67hh,56hh maybe 68hh? If that is his range and he will call with all of it the that makes ripping it in correct? Is there any merit to calling and stacking off on non heart turns and hopefully getting value from weaker aces that might raise flop but fold to my shove? Although letting him check back turn would be bad.
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What was the suit of the K? Honestly, I don't think IP would bluff raise on the board texture facing a 70% cbet and going 4-ways to the flop. I'd exploitatively overfold and would fold AK as well. Feels very weak-tight, but if you have IP having ~0 bluffs, then massively overfolding is the correct play. I'd put his range as mostly AJ/66 and the occasional very strong bluff (KQhh/QThh/KThh, etc.)
fixed. I had the Kh.
Well, that would reduce the number of potential bluffs he could choose from. I also don't think people raise their flush draws too much when they are IP to begin with.
Im also in the camp folding to the raise. But I would also not be betting the flop. Over several players the equities start to even out a bit over all parties: ie: a hand like TPTK is much weaker than playing HU.
The rule of thumb: don't bloat a pot that you are going to loose more often (which is the logical consequence of MW-pots). So the threshold for valuebets will drop drastically and this hand class will be somewhat on the edge (probably a mix I guess).
For the most part raises are also much more polar (which usually means stronger) and so TPTK will have real trouble to defend properly.
So I would be checking my whole range in this spot as a simplification.
IMO this will simplify your life a whole lot...
Raoul is correct here OP, checking a lot oop in general vs cc. and especially in multiway pots (if not always) is generally going to be a good approach. With your specific hand, on this specific board, and specifically against two likely weaker players betting isn't bad though---especially if you make the assumption they significantly under raise, under bluff when checked to, but also may call with worse when you do bet (which is all likely true, but goes off assumptions).
Agree with both Brokenstars and RaoulFlush on this.
Thank you both, that makes a lot of sense to me.
if this were optimal heads up 6max your hand is good enough to stack off, but in heads up 10nl nit games you deviate by pure calling and bluff catching
three/four way this hand is absolutely fucking -infinity ev dead when you get check raised here
a decade ago when you played regularly you can totally get away with just betting here, but today with solvers we know how much stronger hand we need to put more money multiway and even TPTK multiway isnt strong enough to bet all the time
thus we end up checking some very strong hands multiway on the flop to instead build the pot on good turn and rivers when draws brick
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