TPTK facing min raise on flop - .5nl zone
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TPTK facing min raise on flop - .5nl zone
HERO($8.72) is UTG+2
BB($9.02)
UTG($5.70)
UTG calls .5
HERO has AKdd raises to .22
BB calls .22
UTG calls .22
(pot .68)
FLOP 7c 6d Ks
BB checks
UTG checks
HERO bets .40
BB raises to .80
UTG folds
HERO calls .80
(pot 1.87)
I decided to just flat the min raise from BB since we're both relatively deep and our hand plays well enough to play most turns when we have the backdoor flush draw. Feels like BB can have worse kings here and draws such as 89s/54s/8T. Some of the time we're gonna be behind to hands like 76/77/66. I dont think raising in this spot plays well in the long run but am not positive so any feedback is welcomed and appreciated.
TURN: 3d
BB bets 1.14
HERO calls 1.14
(pot 4.15)
I think the turn is always just a call when we pick up the nut flush draw to go w tptk. Think this street is pretty straight forward as played.
RIVER: 6s
BB bets 1.90
HERO calls 1.90
I think this is where i should be able to get away from my hand instead of calling. Our hand is essentially a bluff catcher cause we're behind all of his value range after he c/r flop and leads both turn and river. I think he value owned us cause he bet relatively small compared to what was in the pot. Feels like we got taken to school on river. What do yall think? Is there ever a case for calling here in this spot as played? Any insight/critique is openly appreciated. Cheers
BB has 77, wins 7.95
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Preflop - villain cold cold your min raise which indicates that villain has something little like a small pair or a reasonable suited connector.
Flop - raising his min raise does not make much sense indeed (min raises are a sign of a good hand most of the time that are not scared to be called by AK on a K-high board) actually draws could easily just call and when improved let you do the turn betting. With a draw he actually should want for UTG to tag along and not scare him away with a min raise. Its a multi way pot where the villain is min raising in so that looks extra strong and not a bluff.
Turn - you got more equity so calling is fine you also have the benefit of being in position
River - giving the preflop and flop and turn play of the villain your most likely beat so I guess folding is best here
Think you played it well except maybe the river problem is though that the pot odds are so great. But one pair will loose most of the time.
I rly like how you explained the hand on each street, thx for that cause it rly cleared this hand up for me. I think youre spot on w the flop explanation. I didnt know what to make of villians min raise but what you said makes total sense - him min raising, the pot being multi-way are all indicators that villian is better than one pair. On river i wasnt too happy about our hand given how flop and turn played but was such good price. Thats a spot where moving forward I need to be able to fold. Thx again for the advice and explanation of the hand, rly helped me out in understanding what villian's thought process was. Cheers
Same here need to make more folds on the river or even maybe on the turn already :)
Hand up to river seems fine.
The river is actually good for you because he has fewer combos of boats now. You basically only lose to 76s, 77-66 and 54s. There are only a few combos of those.
The price is very good on the river. If he's ever bluffing with 98s, you have a profitable call on the river. He could also be value-betting worse (like KQ). I would find it hard to fold.
I have a hard time folding this river. Fish will have AK, KQ here some of the time. Getting better than 3:1, I think calling is going to be marginally profitable (vs 0 ev when you fold). Add in a river bluff with 98dd and it is a slam dunk call. His sizing looks like value on the river but I have been seeing more and more small bets as bluffs on rivers and it has been leading me to make a few more calls with "marginal" holdings.
The only likely mistake you made during this hand was $0.40 OTF. Generally multi-way spots favor very small c-bet sizes. That said, 66% was okay, not bad. Otherwise, you can't do much. You played it well.
Easy river fold, ck/r barrel barrel is an under bluffed line in the population, especially multi-way. Also you block busted flush draws as an anti-blocker. 54 also got there on the turn, not to many natural bluffs left for villain. Even if there were a lot more natural bluffs I'd fold to this line.
Thx for all the responses and advice guys, i appreciate it. Def helps me to make more sense of hands when i can learn from others what they would do in certain spots. belrio42 i thought the same thing when 6 pairs river, him not being able to have as many boat combos since board double paired. I think the line villian takes just looks too strong for me to be calling this river all the time. Idk what he does w his 98s and flush combos - even tho we block them w our hand. If hes bluffing those as well i think call is okay. I think i still lean towards folding as played when get to river. HawksWin i like your point about villian being able to have some AK/KQ some of the time leading to a call not being out of realm of making profit. the min raise on flop made hand strange for me to play on later streets. I like your response and breakdown. Rly helped me to make sense of the hand. SnowAndFire I usually size down on flop to around 33% or so. In hindsight i think youre right. Doesnt make sense to go 2/3 given strength of our hand and playability on further streets. PutMyRobeOnRITE totally agree w you. I think river should have been fold for us. Idk what villian does w his missed draws on river or if he takes this line w KQ ever and value owns himself on the end. But altogether, i tend to agree that I should just be folding this river. Also, like you said, we have his flush draws blocked so leaves straight draws that are bluffs villian could potentially have.
Again, thx for all the insight and responses. I appreciate it guys. Cheers.
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