TOP par in 3 way pot with two good reg

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TOP par in 3 way pot with two good reg

CO: $24.95
BN: $9.03
SB: $22.20
BB: $20
UTG: $26.33
HJ: $40.63
Seat 1: Player1 ( $24.95 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 1.8, Hands: 3257 -CO -no much read -dont like folding overpair,dont CB AK in 3way on board Thigh
Seat 7: Player7 ( $26.33 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 3.3, Hands: 1581 -UTG
both good reg (not super)
ME BB - KhJh
Preflop ($0.30) (6 Players)
UTG raises to $0.60, HJ folds, CO calls $0.60, BN folds, SB folds, BB calls $0.40
Flop ($1.90) T 4 K (3 Players)
BB checks, UTG bets $1.25, CO calls $1.25, BB calls $1.25
i think maybe fold here is not so bad-my hand is only good if i see showdown ,and how often i see SD?
UTG have strong range and CO know it and still call and he know i can raise here.

I don´t think folding here is bad-if one of this villian was fish ->than i was happy with call here
Turn ($5.65) 7 (3 Players)
BB checks, UTG bets $3.50, CO calls $3.50, BB folds
River ($12.65) 6 (2 Players)
UTG bets $6.30, CO raises to $19.60, UTG folds
Final Pot
CO wins $23.99

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RaoulFlush 11 years, 4 months ago

i like it... players dont seem overly aggressive and UTG CB twice here vs 2 players is pretty strong...we´re rarely good here....but im not quite sure about the PF-call tbh...this hand is a perfect example of how poorly KJo plays oop multiway....might prefer a squeeze or fold i guess


Daz 11 years, 4 months ago

@raoulflush - its KJ suited in hearts, so standard call then preflop?

@kimi - i don't undertsand the preflop squeeze with this particular hand, can you elaborate?

@wuwei, i agree with you on folding the flop. This is due to the very tight continuing range of the CO. 

So for me, preflop i'm also calling with most of my suited broadway. From results i've found [A-Q]xJx do better than the broadway suited [K-J]xTx counterparts. 

On the flop, i'm folding due to CO's perceived strong range: if i'm only up against KQ+ or some Acc+GSSD i prefer simply folding OOP. If UTG has a reasonable cbet into 3 players then our pair here shouldn't be good either. 

RaoulFlush 11 years, 4 months ago

yeah...didnt see....suited i like the PF call...but folding flop feels kind of nitty

Daz 11 years, 4 months ago

Well given the stats of the villains, if either has a made hand it beats ours. Only if UTG is merging his cet with ATs or QQ-JJ are we ahead and if CO is calling with a draw, or Tx/JJ/QQ himself.

No worse Kx is in their ranges. UTG can have KTs but that has now improved to two pair. 

We basically need both villain's to be drawing, but their drawing hands are still overcard+GSSD+FD, FD+OESD, FD+GSSD, which still leaves us with breakeven equity at best (some of their outs are discounted), but we are OOP so we can't control the size of the pot and so are at the mercy of both players.

Hova 11 years, 4 months ago

I am 100% calling preflop. @RaoulFlush You have to remember when we fold in the BB our winrate is -100bb/100 so although calling may not be a hugely +EV play it just has to be less -EV than folding.

On the flop I would also never fold, we only need around 22%equity to call flop. Sometimes people auto cbet K high flops and if utg is betting AQ for example and co is calling say JTss we have ~%66 equity in that spot and of course when we are behind we can hit potentially 5outs.( although if we check Jc turn and it went bet call I think we can fold).

On the turn I think we made a good fold.

Ondrej Rysavy 11 years, 4 months ago

i think fold flop is ok,but you have right in one thing,K high is almoust auto cbeting but this board is wet and hit range of UTG and CO range ,fold is better

RaoulFlush 11 years, 4 months ago

last one is agood point imo...therefore the flop goes multiway we get decent odds on our hand and i epect to see AJ/AQ//QQJJ/TX in both players ranges fairly often. And i expect thouse hands to play pretty honest OTT/OTR multiway

wuwei 11 years, 4 months ago

Here are some numbers.

UTG 42.65%  { KK+, TT, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, Ac9c, 9c8c, 8c7c, 7c6c, AJo+, KQo }

CO 30.53%  { QQ-JJ, 44, ATs, KJs+, QJs, JTs, KQo, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs }

CO 26.82%  { KhJh }

However, I think these ranges are too loose and that we will not realize 100% of our equity.


Ondrej Rysavy 11 years, 4 months ago

we are OOP ,i dont wanna call another bet->than i almoust never see showdown->does not matter i had TP...you think the game will be check down in 22% of time,

Hova 11 years, 4 months ago

It doesn't necessarily have to check down 22% of the time, you can improve or even bluff river if club or 9 turn goes x/x/x. But yeah I think it definitely will check down enough.. that is only 1 in 5. When you say you won't realise your equity, I think at 25nl you rarely get barrelled off your hand from draws after the cut off flats aswell, I think utg will check all his draws on the turn apart from the montster Straight and Flush draw ones. which is why vs a turn bet we have an easy fold. I also see some 25nl players get scared with hands like AK/KQ here when it is 3way and check turn making it more likely you realise your equity. 

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