TOO SMALL BET SIZING WITH NUTS?
Posted by cjfly05
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cjfly05
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TOO SMALL BET SIZING WITH NUTS?
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players)
BN: $29.81
SB: $16.98
BB: $29.75 (Hero)
UTG: $28.13
MP: $26.72
CO: $25.93
SB: $16.98
BB: $29.75 (Hero)
UTG: $28.13
MP: $26.72
CO: $25.93
Preflop
($0.35)
Hero is BB with
J
J
, , , ,
Flop
($5.10)
8
J
T
,
Turn
($8.42)
8
J
T
3
,
River
($18.92)
8
J
T
3
9
, ,
Final Pot
BN
wins and shows a straight, Nine to King.
BB lost and shows three of a kind, Jacks.
BN wins $57.60
Rake is $2.00
BB lost and shows three of a kind, Jacks.
BN wins $57.60
Rake is $2.00
FLOP: When I am this high in my range and I block one of the possible draws, I like to bet 1/3 pot, inducing raises from draws, air and medium strength hands. (Balancing with other ranges)
TURN: Even that the backdoor flush draw hits the turn I am not really concern, I bet 3/4s for value to start inflating the pot.
RIVER: As I block the diamond draw I am still betting for Value.2/3s pot. I am still beting a lot of his hands like AA,KK,88,TT,JT,99, all the two pair combos and one pair, all I am really concern is QQ but I believe that would have raise the flop pretty often. I do not want to give a free showdown.
What do you guys think of the hand?
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River is a check close to 100%. The hands you listed above all going to x/f if you bet and mostly never call. You are beat every time someone raises your tripple barrel on board like that with topset. What hands shove the river that you beat? I dont see any worse hands. You have ton of Qx and flushes in that spot so no reason for villain to raise anything worse here
Thanks for the feedback! I also level myself and wonder why is he shoving when Diamond comes when I have one and he is likely not to have one! I could have a Q myself or even the nut flush... Oh well! will check next time for sure!
flop i think even tho we have top set i like a bigger bet on this flop most hands he will call with will have hit this flop or have a draw any thing that missed badly is mostly gonna fold to 1/3 anyways
i think river is 100% check to all the hands your wanting value from are gonna hate this river,88-1010 might even fold river AA KK and QQ are generally gonna 4B pre,
your worrying about free showdown but i dont think you really ever get called by worse there the 9D is probably the worst card you could have hoped for
Thank you! Yeah shouldnt count AA nad KK as like you said they would have 4bet or raised the flop... I also level myself why he is shoving a Diamond river when I block them!
You need to check that river. You basically have no air left in your range and your opponent is going to have a ton of better hands in his range at this point. Given those factors, it's going to be really difficult for you to get called by worse hands.
Additionally, a bunch of the hands that you mention that could call you on the river either mostly 4 bet preflop or mostly raise on the flop. Button versus big blind you can expect most villains to 4 bet hands like AA/KK and even if they don't they'll often be raising on the flop or the turn if they slowplay. Hands like JT, TT, 88 are almost always raising on that flop, especially given that small flop bet but if they don't they're almost definitely going to raise the turn when a second flush draw turns.
Thank you!! would you go for a x/c or x/f ?? My concern is that with my diamond blocker his value range is thinner and I have show some weakness in flop, I think is really easy for him to turn his hand into a bluff, speciall anyone with the A of diamons
I'd X/F. He's going to have lots of hands that have showdown value that he'll likely take if given the opportunity. Also, given that this river makes it impossible for you to value bet all of your previous overpair + hands, you should probably be checking really frequently here. The flushes/straight that you check on the river should given you plenty of protection versus someone who turns a ton of hands into bluffs.
FLOP: Your sizing is not good. This board hits villain's range a lot, and as such you want to be C-betting at a lower frequency with a big sizing. My guess is that the EV difference between all lines on the flop are very close. At low stakes I would probably lean towards betting as I think it's fair to assume the average player will be stickier than they should.
TURN: Bet big is good. There are many draws and it's quite likely Villain won't fold a pair + draw type of hand.
RIVER: Clear check/fold. Villain is most likely never value cutting himself. You got the worst card of the deck so unless you think he is competent enough to turn a hand like KT or KJ into a bluff, there is really no reason to call. Even if he would turn some of these combos into a bluff, it still probably remains a check/fold. Yes, your hand was very strong on the flop and turn, but you got the worst possible runout and are now at the bottom of your range on a board that hits Villain's range super hard.
Thank you! I tend to be very polarised with my 1/3cbet. I think any other opponent would have raised the flop even with en OESD. As I block diamonds I am no very concern about diamonds, I look for a raise of his medium hands. I guess that exact combo i do not count is the one he has! it was difficul to me to see it as i focused on the flush.
Hi cjfly05,
You said ''I tend to be very polarised with my 1/3cbet''.
Note that this is theoretically - and unless using a very exploitative strategy for whatever reason - practically incorrect. The bigger will your Cbet be, the more polarized you want to be. Basically, when you increase your bet sizing, you are giving less good odds to your opponents, which means that the bigger you bet, the more you can bluff (not in terms of bluff combos, but relative to the amount of value combos you have).
When you bet small, you must have very few bluffs because your opponent will call more often. It means that your value range needs to be wider as well, otherwise you won't be able to have a somewhat balanced strategy. As you go bigger, you must remove the weaker part of your value range.
So when cbetting 1/3, you need to have a more merged strategy.
Check/fold the river! Your hand is nowhere near "the nuts" on this runout. And once villain shoves, calling is equivalent to taking a 10 dollar bill and lighting it on fire.
I meant to discus my small cbet in the flop with nuts, applying a polarised high frequency cbet strategy. I know is not near the nuts in the river :p Once he bets with the flush is difficul for me to put him on a value hand as I block some of his diamond combos... and QQ would have 4bet or raised flop. only really combo i didnt count on he had! I belive he arrives to that river with a lot worse hands... Probably better for me to put some more work on ranges reads and combo counting!
Small bet OTF it's not the best strategy, unless you have note on this guy, if you bet bigger, wich will be the best option, he'll continue raise with his strong hands like 88, Q9s, TT, 79s, KQs, two pairs and you'll get value from him! So forget this ideia of you want him raise you with his medium hands because you'll extract much more value just betting bigger!
Also, you're leveling yourself so much with the ideia of blocking flushes, ok it's nice you block some flushes, but he'll has a bunch of other value combos that beat you and OTR the player pool don't tend to bluff or do a expolitative play on this board! Look to the villain range, you don't beat any of his value combos only beat his pure bluffs or made hands that he chooses bluff, so easy x/fold OTR.
Like everyone said above, the 1/3 CB on the flop is not a good deal. It would be a good thing if the flop was dry with a K high or A high.
Check raise (protecting your checking range) this flop or bet large.
As played, X fold this river.
You have some showdown value but not when you or he bets.
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