Thoughts?

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Thoughts?

BN: $196.40
SB: $70.30 (Hero)
BB: $33.27
UTG: $177.36
HJ: $71.27
CO: $74.47
Preflop ($0.75) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt A A
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.75, BB folds, BN calls $2.75
Flop ($8.25) A T 5 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BN checks
Turn ($8.25) A T 5 7 (2 Players)
Hero bets $4.10, BN calls $4.10
River ($16.45) A T 5 7 6 (2 Players)
Hero bets $11.42, BN raises to $188.55, and is all in, Hero calls $51.03, and is all in
Final Pot

Can I ever fold here vs an unknown?

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vanity02 11 years, 10 months ago

I think its fairly standard overall, but my thinking at the time was that this is a 3bet pot 89s only hand that crushes me in his range and there are only 4 combos vs other value hands, another factor is my flopx, turn and river sizing were all really weak and could easily induce a bluff


nma 11 years, 10 months ago

you should be betting the flop

James Hudson 11 years, 10 months ago
I don't hate check calling the flop here. Granted, it's easier to build a pot with a strong hand by just betting ourselves but think about our usual check calling range on this flop. This is a hand that makes a ton of sense to throw into our check calling range because we block combos that villain can call down with and also have a hand that is near invulnerable and won't have to fold at any point in the hand really.


WM2K 11 years, 10 months ago
Ya I agree that c/c AA here isnt the worst idea but I don t think I d make it my default. Mostly because I d be betting this flop a ridiculous amount vs unknown players and I don t think the avg 50nl reg is just going to unload more then MAYBE 1 bet with garbage trying to get you off weaker hands. Perhaps higher in the mid-high stakes games that you play in the avg reg is much more willing to put you to the test and bluff at a much higher frequency making this a much better default plan.


James Hudson 11 years, 10 months ago
You're right. Generally the lower the stakes the more often we should opt for the line that tries to get paid through betting rather than inducing .


WM2K 11 years, 10 months ago

Ya theres nothing std about this hand except for preflop and even then you sized the 3 bet poorly. I d be making it 4.5-5$ depending on how wide villains call on average in your games.

Not betting the flop is pretty sad. I don t see how you expect ~150bb to go in without doing the betting yourself. This isnt the sort of board where the avg villain is going to be like "oh snap he totally missed this and now I m going to unload and own him".

At least you bet the turn but again too small. 1/2 pot? seriously? make it 7$.

River is kinda gross especially as the spr is pretty deep and you ve done nothing to define villains range. Wouldnt be surprised to see 89 here a ton.

Chael Sonnen 11 years, 10 months ago

Guys, the BTN min-raised. 3.75x is not bad. I'd make it 4.

I'd bet the flop. It's very suspicious when you go into c/c  mode and all of a sudden raise. Villians knows you can bet as a bluff here a lot, so he's going to peel plenty.

He's going to call with most pairs, some broadway draws, a few floats, Tx and the occasional case A.

As played, bet turn bigger. Too many draws.

Not folding this river.

BigFiszh 11 years, 10 months ago

"Guys, the BTN min-raised. 3.75x is not bad. I'd make it 4."

It´s 140bb.

Chael Sonnen 11 years, 10 months ago

He's still calling with suited connectors and small pairs to crack your aces, but if you make it smaller, he might 4-bet his value hands a little lighter and he can bluff more if he has garbage.

WM2K 11 years, 10 months ago
If he s not good at nlhe you might induce something like this. However the adjustment to make against someone 3 betting too small when your deep is just to smile and call a lot then his line is hell postflop cause you can have idk 30-40% of hands. Also theres just a lot of value to be had preflop because last time I remember 50nl players are not that good at folding on average so time to jack the pot up and win some $$.


BigFiszh 11 years, 10 months ago

I don´t see how this makes sense? The deeper you are the less likely Villain should be to a) value-4bet lighter because it´s harder for us to bluff-ship and/or b) bluff more ...

lwe 11 years, 10 months ago

dat turn bet too strong. you missed value on the flop so why are you missing out on value on the turn? you tried to get tricky and get a check raise in on the flop and when that fails you can either A) check again and go for the same plan on turn or B) bet 3/4 to full pot on turn. Betting half that pot on turn is just gross. soo many deceptive draws plus a lot of obvious ones. bet bigger if you are betting at all.

tough to fold river now..we were thinking on level 9 when villain was just playing abc, now we have to level ourselves into a call and lose. I dont see any other possible outcome.

PutMyRobeOnRITE 11 years, 10 months ago

I agree betting is best against fish and this isn't a board he's going to go hog wild on if you check.  But if you're going to develop an oop checking range to defend enough checks, this is THE hand to throw into your ck/calling range....this may not be so applicable as it's a 3-bet pot as compared to a single raised pot though...but in theory, if you're going to ever check a strong hand, make it this.

brahsworld84 11 years, 10 months ago

what you can learn from this hand is fixing your sizing.

1.) 3bet bigger preflop. ---ESPECIALLY being deep and OOP. 

2.) As played with the flop check, bet the turn bigger. 

Do this with your whole range and dont just think in the framework of you having AA.

Also note that when you flop top set and decide to check there is a big difference between A72r and ATxr, the former is as dry as it gets the latter allows broadways (JQ/KQ) to hit random nut straights and more straight possibilities to arrive on turn cards if it gets checked thru. 

its kind of nasty as played. but whether you should fold/call river, you  may get different responses but imo it doesn't matter what you do.

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