this may be lame
Posted by David Jimenez
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David Jimenez
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this may be lame
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players)
BN: $12.49
SB: $11.91
BB: $10.61 (Hero)
UTG: $27.90
MP: $28.37
CO: $4.95
SB: $11.91
BB: $10.61 (Hero)
UTG: $27.90
MP: $28.37
CO: $4.95
Preflop
($0.15)
Hero is BB with
K
J
, , , , ,
Flop
($1.20)
7
T
J
, , , , , , , ,
I'm thinking every good-strong hand would raise here somewhere so I'm thinking I hold the best hand here... I'm thinking UTG would bet bigger every TPTK+ hand... and someone would probably raise his small bet with every 2pair+ hand, so I'm thinking I want to protect in such drawy board so I raise the pot
Turn
($6.00)
7
T
J
6
seems like a blank and I put UTG in a draw continuing with my flop's thought process, I'm thinking I can bet half pot here but I would have like 1/3 size bet otr so I think gii already is better in such draw board... Overplayed?
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Yes. And not a little bit.
thanks, what would you say I could change about my thought process in order to have played this better? :)
There are so many better hands OTF than KJ, all of which are in your range.
I agree with your thoughtprocess that given the flopaction it is (way) More likely than usual that the opponents arent superstrong. Yet this doesn't automaticAlly entail you can valueraise and stack off 100bb deep with toppair good kicker on this board.
UTG cbets small, correct, but still it is 4-way. Your KJo will play Great in a small pot here, but not so much when you start bloating the pot. Yes, you give away a free card which hurts your equity versus esp. the flatters when you flat. But that downsides is not substantial enough to warrant a raise here. AJ is somewhat more borderline and too optimistic in my opinion. 2P+, megadraws and some weaker draws as blufs are my raising hands on this flop.
ok i get it, my mistake is in not thinking enough about my range, like you said I have better hands I can do this with... thank you
If your opponent is a station I love it, he snap call you with QJ and you are in great shape. however u are repping a pretty strong range with this line, u have every 98 combo and any two pair combo too so If I'm the villain in this spot with AJ I have a hard time calling. That being said I don't think u get called by worse too often.
I like your thinking here. Flatting the small sizing does cap CO and SB's range, but I'm not sure that it tells us too much about UTG.
In my experience many fun players will size down bets in multi way pots, even with the top of their range. I could be wrong about that though :).
So that Kc. Not only does it reduce the number of draws in villain's range, but it reduces the number of scare cards for us on the turn.
So for that reason I think flatting here is OK. If you knew that UTG uses this sizing with a particular part of his range, then raising here could be fun.
I don't think we're getting value from worse hands really ever unless we know UTG is a whale. Something else you may want to consider is that you hold the K of clubs. Now other players can certainly have draws here, but you remove a lot of draws from UTG range here. AK, KQ, KJ, what else does he draw with here? You're in a high variance spot, raising to try to get heads up won't really reduce that variance, it'll just change the way you experience it. You're either playing a very strong hand against 6 cards that are all interested, or you're playing a big heads up pot against a strong range with a hand that isn't looking great anymore. You were so sure that you had the best hand on the flop, then he called the raise. You MIGHT still have the best hand, but I wouldn't be putting a ton of money on it.
Unless UTG is an absolute nit I would much rather squeeze than call preflop, especially with KJo. I think if you call and get into a multi-way pot you can easily be dominated by AJ,AK,KQ. So I would generally opt to squeeze with KJo and call with KJs.
OTF I think you are seriously overplaying your hand - you are essentially turning your hand (which is at the very bottom of your value range) into a bluff because imo you will never get paid a worse J here. Agree that UTGs range with the small bet-sizing is rather weak, but he is still c-betting into 3 people on a super wet board. And similarly the flat call by by MP and CO are on the weaker side, but as you pointed out correctly any 89 or FD is still in their range, maybe even 77 or JT that they do not want to overplay in a multi-way pot. I would therefore just call on the flop. Other than a club, there are not too many cards that hurt your range, because you can easily call a cbet on the turn on any 9,J,Q,K or A since they either give you trips, two pair or pair+GS. If it gets checked through you could then bet the turn (maybe on the smaller side) to get to the river cheaply and potentially value bet the river thinly on any non-club card pretty much.
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