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Superman's Line 100NL 6Max Zoom

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Superman's Line 100NL 6Max Zoom

BN: $108.21 (Hero)
SB: $158.11
BB: $60.56
UTG: $129.54
HJ: $82.15
CO: $34
Preflop ($1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 8 9
UTG raises to $2, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero calls $2, SB folds, BB folds
Flop ($5.50) 4 7 J (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3, UTG calls $3
Turn ($11.50) 4 7 J K (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG calls $7
River ($25.50) 4 7 J K 2 (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $50, UTG raises to $100, Hero calls $46.21, and is all in

He is 34/25/af0.9/3bet4.4 182 hands

Only read is that he is from my country which I can see in his country Avatar.

I didn't wanna show my river call but this was the only way to post the hand.

I over bet the river to make my range FOS like a bluff.

My thought process is "FML, he got me good. I'm gonna call and end this session..... ". 

Thoughts?



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ItsToothPasteISwear 11 years, 1 month ago

what is it about you that make people oddly play big hands? :)

How long did he delay before he shoved?

If he thinks you are bluffing I dunno why he wouldnt just call, he presumably he has showdown value to have made it the river. Unless he played like say AQ this way and is worried you have too many weak pair bluffs to just call. Seems pretty odd for him to have the nuts tho.

Im pretty sure its prolly a fold because who actually rebluffs here? but in game I think id end up thinking exactly what you did and call it off.

I hope he had 54cc :)


CombatCarl 11 years, 1 month ago

I'd say he shoved in 2 seconds. This was my 2nd 50BB over bet of the session unfortunately I lost the 1st one which was on turn. LOL I did it three times in total. May be I'll post the rest for your amusement in here later.

ItsToothPasteISwear 11 years, 1 month ago

thats pretty fast, unless he had like exactly AcQx and already knew ahead of time he was check shipping a club river, but that seems pretty questionable. What did he end up with?


RaoulFlush 11 years, 1 month ago

Overbetting 2x OTR makes you sooooooo polarized here and bluffing polarized ranges is usually pretty dumb (not sure if he is aware of that) so i think this is a fold as well...

Even though...Let him have the Ac and you with a superpolarized range, this could make this a decent spot for a rebluff?

But still seeing an AF of 0.9+ superodds for you OTR, so I still think he´s not bluffing here...

PT 11 years, 1 month ago

I think your river sizing could of induced this, but the math as for as calling off is def right 4.something to 1. I think the only thing I'm not crazy about this hand and why it became a tuff spot or a spot wear u have to call of is the sizing on river. Say u bet 21ish and he blast like this... much easyer decisions imo

CombatCarl 11 years, 1 month ago

Inducing aggression by over bet for thin value or bluff is an interesting concept. I like your initial read though. I wouldn't think of it in this particular spot at all!!!!!!!!!!

RaoulFlush 11 years, 1 month ago

hmm...given the action im not sure if a mathematical argument for calling is that valid....even though its defo a good point to mention obv...

StayPositive. 11 years, 1 month ago

I would think that the overbet in that spot has soooo much fold equity against a random opponent, therefore would def make it smaller there for value.

I mean do we really expect to get called there a lot by TT-88, QJ, JT (which is the majority of his range)? I expect these hands to snapfold in this particular spot. Would obv becompletely different if it was SBvBB ...

CombatCarl 11 years, 1 month ago

I actually over bet on turn or river fairly often against the randoms +30BB depending on the effective stack sizes. If you play 100NL 6Max Zoom game, 80% of the time you are playing against the random population of player pool and even if some of them are decent poker players, they still have no information on how you play, the HUD will help reveal this fact.

So, if you are afraid to over bet a merged range or semi bluff then there is good news, the truth is there is no need to balance it against the unknowns so you can randomly make some over bets with the nutted range once in a while. What I like about it is who actually gives action to it. Most of the time, I get action from by that I mean I get shoved on by combo draws that usually includes NFD  while I hold something like a set. Or, I get hero called by some capped ranges like TPTK. They interpret the big size as weak/dominated draws/bluffs and they come over the top more often than just flatting in action spots. And if they flat the turn over bet with capped range, 90% of the time they are calling the shove on river sometimes even deep.

Anyway, the villain in OP had KQo. I guess I sort of understand his line which could be a little shallow in read on his part, he reverse floated on flop and hit a TP2K and felt that he now has the best hand so the decision to play the hand for stacks is made on turn then saw my large bet on river and put me on a weaker range or bluff, CRAI covers both ranges.

Or

He decided that he wants to turn his hand into a bluff on river against an over bet. I highly doubt this because he is a bronze star. He also had no flush blockers in his hole cards.  



 


RaoulFlush 11 years, 1 month ago

lol...KQ is propably the worst holding for making this bluff (Im pretty sure this is never a valueraise then) vs your line....

Ducky7 11 years, 1 month ago

If hes a bronze star he could be overplaying like KK/JJ which would lead me to call here, pretty lol spot but i doubt i make the fold or that you should esp. since we are getting pretty good odds when he could have some worse flushes also? :s

mplecki23 11 years, 1 month ago

I can only imagine to losing to A4cc, so not really folding here. He has to a fraction of one combo as a bluff and ppl will randomly click enough

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