silly float spot vs fish
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silly float spot vs fish
UTG: 258.29
HJ: 106.82
CO: 121.87
BN: 100 (Hero)
SB: 105.43
BB: 109.38
HJ: 106.82
CO: 121.87
BN: 100 (Hero)
SB: 105.43
BB: 109.38
Preflop
(1.50)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
T
9
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to 3, Hero raises to 9, SB folds, BB folds, CO calls 6
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to 3, Hero raises to 9, SB folds, BB folds, CO calls 6
Flop
(19.50)
6
K
A
(2 Players)
CO checks,
Hero bets 10,
CO raises to 20,
Hero calls 10
Turn
(59.50)
6
K
A
J
(2 Players)
CO checks,
Hero bets 24,
CO calls 24
River
(107.50)
6
K
A
J
3
(2 Players)
CO checks,
Hero checks
Final Pot
CO has
A
2
CO
wins 104.50
when he min c/r is it always a fold here, for some reason it felt fishy, or maybe kx or the hand he had, but suppose i didnt plan the rest of the hand, like if he has got king x would he fold the turn enough to my bet, because stack depth I dont think I have much fold equity on river, i feel its probley a fold flop 100%??
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I think pre is bad against this type of player. I would rather pick premiums to 3bet and I would probably do it on a bigger side.
As played, flop is an easy fold against his CR.
so would you 3 bet button vs anyone with this kind of hand?
Yeah, the people who treats me with respect and dignity. Not the people who thinks I'm a money grabbing whore.
You can 3b a merged range IP vs weaker players, so hands that flop well like doing it with T9/JTs/JQs isn't going to be bad since he will peel alot and we will have position with hands that are gonna flop well on top of the strong hands in our range anyway
Agree w/ Carl flop is a easy fold even though its tilting to fold to x/min's it bothers me too lol but when he check mins hes not going to fold too often on later straights and we can't really improve
What does a merge range mean exactly?
"Range merging is when you bet with a medium-strength hand on the river,
where the board makes your opponent believe that you can only be betting
with either the nuts or bluffing with nothing at all (most likely
bluffing)."
Say a flop comes Q72 two tone, your opponent cbets, and you raise with Q5o.
range merging is not just about the river tho right? as he quoted `You can 3b a merged range`
I'm no expert but I think it means neither strong or bluff but mediocre yet it could be lethal to your opponent under the right circumstance or detrimental to yourself if you abuse it in a way of value suicides.
Say, you had the mother of all draws, the OESFD and you bet/call on flop and check/call on turn to go check/check on missed river only to find out that he raised you with 2nd pair King kicker. You'd probably go "OMFG, I should've 3bet/shoved on flop!!! I'm gonna find out where you live and throw eggs at your window!!" Now, all this screaming is unnecessary because all you need to do is take notes that says something like "raising range includes merged ranged, degree frequency like on a scale of 1 to 10, FTR, textures, female(?), time of month, etc" and adjust to exploit it later if he/she/shemale does it too often.
You don't have to use the term for 3bet because "Polarized" and "Depolarized" explains enough. Unless, ATC means "Merged" but I don't think so.
OK so i I'm in two moods about this, took me a few minutes to figure out how I'd make the best of this situation, In saying that you're mostly bluffing for the sake of it...910o is meaningless, could be any two cards, also probably not deep enough....So
When he min raises, at worst he has a strong K BUT it (i think) caps his range, If he a had a strong A or say 2 pair he wont want to be drawn out on (EDIT* could be Kx of spades), but if you want to continue your pre flop story of strength, then i think you're least bad play is to raise/fold his min bet....With your stack though, this isn't a real option, say you raise to between 58 and 67...your not left with nearly enough to do anything on turn and river...Say you're 200bb deep...then this is a possible play
i Don't think he min raises a naked flush draw after you 3bet pre...So on blank turns if he checks, i'd say bomb it, he's mostly got strong K's and weak A's, and i think you can get them to fold, and if it comes a spade, i think its 50/50 to bomb it or check and bomb blank rivers....
But with the hand you had with the stack sizes, just fold and wait for a better spot...
If you think i got it wrong let me know :)
I would give up on the flop when you get xr. I don't think this type of player xr enough with hands that will fold on future streets to make it a profitable float with no equity. Preflop is w/e, sure you can choose a better hand but it's against a fish and it's very likely profitable.
i totally agree give up on flop once raised, its an intereting debate wheather you should try take him off his capped range if we were 200 blinds deep, could be quite high varience because we dont know how stubern he is going to be with his ace crap on river! but yes its a fold all day in this situation.
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