Should I get away cheaper in these "unlucky" spots? - part 2
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Should I get away cheaper in these "unlucky" spots? - part 2
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players)
MP: $28.41
CO: $25.20
BN: $29.95
SB: $27.19
BB: $21.24 (Hero)
UTG: $25.53
CO: $25.20
BN: $29.95
SB: $27.19
BB: $21.24 (Hero)
UTG: $25.53
No reads but Hero IS NOT BB, but SB.
Preflop
($0.35)
Hero is BB with
Q
A
, , , ,
This seems pretty std. even OOP.
Flop
($4.75)
8
A
7
, ,
I choose to c-bet for value (little to the low side sizing wise maybe). BUT how often am I still in front here when getting raised?! A9, AT, AJ (but would these be raised)? Since I hold the Ad how many flush draws would raise? Would any pairs in villians range raise? The more I look at this hands it looks like I am behind enough to most of the time take a Call, Check/Fold line? I dont think I can fold right here ever though?
Turn
($20.29)
8
A
7
T
,
This looks stupid after the fact! Zero fold EQ on that turn card after the current flop action. In hindsight I would have checked and when I think about it, probably should fold to bet, OR?
River
($42.73)
8
A
7
T
5
Final Pot
BN
wins and shows two pair, Aces and Eights.
BB lost and shows a pair of Aces.
BN wins $40.81
Rake is $1.92
BB lost and shows a pair of Aces.
BN wins $40.81
Rake is $1.92
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I'd make preflop a little bigger and the flop bet a little smaller. Once you bet big and get raised it's just a terrible spot. In theory you probably can't fold but in practice if villain is tight/straightforward you probably should.
Thanks for the reply Steve.
Why bigger preflop? Due to being out of pos.?
Why smaller on the flop?
I am currently going through Pete Clarke's From The Ground Up in which he advocates c-betting value hands and bluffs / semi bluffs the following way.
1) Un-selected c-betting (frequent betting (all hands in range) with small size (1/3 pot ish) on high / dry flops.
2) Selected c-betting (betting selectively (strong value hands) with a bigger size (2/3 - full pot) on wet board where Villian is more like to have equalized our initial range advantage.
SO I bet this hand according to bullet 2 considering it a strong value hand on a wet (or at least not dry) board and thus go for 60% pot bet ish.
Is there a mistake in my application of these concepts here or?
Bigger preflop due to being OOP yes, something like 3x IP, 4x OOP is a decent default rule, but you can look at some preflop charts on a site like GTOwizard to get more specifics.
Flop I would use 1/3 on this flop (and most Axx flops) but it's ok to use something closer to 2/3 as well. The bigger I bet the flop the less I want to continue vs a raise though.
I ran the spot and I think on these boards you could simplify to a range check and not lose too much EV. If you are going to c bet, the solver likes smaller sizing with AQo. Not sure why, but If I were to guess it probably has something to do with the fact it wants to bet all your top pair small (except for AK).
As played, when you block the nut flush draws the solver likes to pure check the turn with AQo. When you don't, you can incorporate some jams.
Alright duly noted!
Thanks both for your input :-)
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