[SH] NL100 Zoom QQ

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[SH] NL100 Zoom QQ

BN: $169.70
SB: $128.65
BB: $33.48
UTG: $170.88
HJ: $52.32
CO: $198.95 (Hero)
Opener is a fish so a clear value 3bet, caller is a reg.

I have 2.2k hands on him, 18/16 so quite tight preflop.I think stats are not too relevant here especially since my question is: Is villain's barreling for value or as a bluff? Can you make sense of his check/raise? I called down because I think he is just full of it about 90% of the time but his hand surprised me a lot. What do you make of that?
Preflop ($1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt Q Q
UTG folds, HJ raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.50, BN folds, SB calls $6, BB folds, HJ folds
Flop ($16.00) 4 4 2 (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB raises to $24, Hero calls $14
Turn ($64.00) 4 4 2 A (2 Players)
SB bets $35.49, Hero calls $35.49
River ($134.98) 4 4 2 A 6 (2 Players)
SB bets $62.66, and is all in, Hero calls $62.66
Final Pot
SB has 8 8 Hero has Q Q Hero wins $257.50

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cervicalmucus 12 years, 2 months ago
Villain is repping AT-AKdd (if he's as tight as you say) and sets. I probably would've found a fold on the turn or river. It just seems suicidal on his part... but congrats on calling down.
EmanuelC16 12 years, 2 months ago
So he's repping 7 value combos at most and he probably folds ATs preflop sometimes, while not check/raising all FH/quads. Would you actually fold against so few value combos? It seems the non-nut flushes are way more than enough to make it a call to me but I don't understand why he used 88 here to play like this. I hoped some other players around here have an idea.. not saying it has to make a lot of sense but I would be interested in the logic a reg might have, if not random spew/tilt.
chigah 12 years, 2 months ago
Obviously given sb cold call 3b preflop and he is a reg, I would assign him a pretty strong range here. AQ, JJ, TT, AJs are the hands I would assume is what his range is weighted toward.

On the flop through my experience is very likely a bluff that includes lots of Ax and some of his JJ. I think we have more than enough equity vs that range that we should be 3betting the flop and calling it off/jamming turn ourselves (maybe not this one though). I think calling to play turns is a mistake because there are a lot of scare cards which villain will slow down on/we won't be comfortable putting our stack in.

Board: 4d 4h 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 12.937% 12.94% 00.00% 10374 0.00 { JJ-TT, AdQd, AdJd }
Hand 1: 87.063% 87.06% 00.00% 69816 0.00 { QQ }

even vs a much stronger range with no total air,

Board: 4d 4h 2d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.552% 47.75% 01.80% 75165 2835.00 { TT+, AdQd, AdJd }
Hand 1: 50.448% 48.65% 01.80% 76575 2835.00 { QQ }


It's possible on the turn that he continues with JJ, but he also certainly continues with his Ax and especially AdQd AdJd. I think folding the turn as played is the best play because now we are behind his flop raising range significantly imo, assuming he doesn't continue with TT... Not only that, but the way we have played the hand we most certainly will be having really difficult bluff catching spots on the river where villain will own us.
chigah 12 years, 2 months ago
Sorry missed that on my screen! but I don't think it matters much because it's only 1 combo. he still has rest of AQo AQs and AJo/ AJs combos that just bluff raise here.
EmanuelC16 12 years, 2 months ago
OK, what do you think of his play though? That's what I actually asked about. What to make of his play? What does this tell us about his preflop ranges, flop check/raising, flop check/ralling and his barreling ranges? It obviously tells us he has 88 in certain spots but how does that affect his whole game?
chigah 12 years, 2 months ago
His preflop call is probably bad, his flop raise is bad, his turn barrel is meh and I guess river is whatever too. It tells us he is either an aggressive fish, or spazzy reg. It won't tell us much about his c/c range imo, but he is capable of going multi streets as a bluff with showdown value. Not too sure we should think much about the scenario given it's a pretty rare one IMO so we shouldn't be jumping to huge assumptions so early. Maybe if you continue to see him flat pre like this then we are on to something.

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