[SH] NL100 Zoom AT

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[SH] NL100 Zoom AT

BN: $104.44
SB: $102 (Hero)
BB: $145.54
UTG: $181.98
HJ: $57.97
CO: $148.19
Villain opens 38% from CO and folds 67% to 3bets overall, 4bets 1/8 times so no real sample on that. This was the first 3bet pot when he faced a cbet so no stat there specifically. His overall forl to cbet is 45% though. 29% WTSD and 46% W$SD.

I've been thinking about it and it's not the right board to bet small on the turn. Too many 89, 76, T8, etc hands that continue vs just about any size bet so I should probably bomb it. I was also considering check/shove but dk how much he floats or how thin he vbets turn. Do you think I should bet bigger on the turn with all my range? I have some 78s, QJ, KJ, KQ in my range here, seems like a decent spot to have FE with a small bet but not sure.

As played, is river shove too thin? I'm not worried much about QJ (OESD + overs will play more aggressively a lot of the time on prev streets IMO), probably KQ and KJ are the problem, plus my perceived range. Do you think I can get a call from worse without any dynamics?
Preflop ($1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt T A
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to $3, BN folds, Hero raises to $10, BB folds, CO calls $7
Flop ($21.50) 5 9 T (2 Players)
Hero bets $12, CO calls $12
Turn ($45.50) 5 9 T 4 (2 Players)
Hero bets $15, CO calls $15
River ($75.50) 5 9 T 4 Q (2 Players)
Hero bets $65, and is all in

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vanity02 12 years, 2 months ago
I'm probably x/f river, the only things that call have you beat. I feel like your river bet only folds out missed draws and maybe Jt jj?
Would like to know how others would play it.
gargamel_fk 12 years, 2 months ago
I don't like your small turn bet. I understand that you try to balance that way there is just too many draws there. I think he can easily have there QJ or 78. Sure it is standard to X/R flops with hand like that but doesn't mean that he doesn't have combos of it in his range here. I think that on the River x/c>bet, Given the dynamic between you both you can think if you preffer to x/c or x/f but bet won't get call by worse and doubt he fold there Qx etc so you are screwed there)
Aleksandra ZenFish 12 years, 2 months ago
You seem to have habit of overbetting rivers with medium strenght or no hand, people tend to pick up tendencies fast, mix it a little bit? i do see you are in zoom, but zoom is full of same ppl playing every day
I like making a play always, im just suggesting in case you are overdoing it, cant get a feeling by you posting here - it was just same play in 2 posts - overbet river
James Hudson 12 years, 2 months ago
We 3 bet as a bluff preflop because he's folding a decent chunk to 3 bets so far right? When he calls the 3 bet after opening the CO (albeit it a wide CO opening range), I expect his range to be decently tight. By the time you get to the river your hand is much much much closer to a bluffcatcher than it is to a value bet. There's just not many hands left in his range that can/need to bluff this river on that runout. I'd check and have to find a fold vs most people.
EmanuelC16 12 years, 2 months ago
AT is barely a bluff pre.. We are way ahead of his opening range and after he calls we should be around 45-50% while dominating quite a few Tx hands imo. He 4bets everything that has us really really crushed so when we get called and flop TPTK we basically have the nuts imo. Only two thoughts I had were turn sizing with our range and with this hand plus river shove which is clearly too thin. I thought it was very thin in game and it only looked thinner when reviewing so not too much to talk about there imo.
James Hudson 12 years, 2 months ago
Ya you're right about his opening range making it a reasonable 3 bet for value. I've also changed my mind about the river a little bit. Given that you bet so small on the turn I expect you to get floated really really wide by small pairs and some ace highs so I think it might be a pretty good spot to check call. Either way though, I definitely don't like jamming.
Felipe Stanquevisch 12 years, 2 months ago
I think you're wrong, it is a bluff preflop. Afterall, if he is folding to 67% 3bets he is only continuing with hands that have you beat. So when you call, you're ahead of his opening range, but when you 3-bet and gets called, his range is a lot tighter. Vs a tight range you don't have a hand to go for 3 streets of value.
Btw, there are somethings I didn't understand. Your bets on flop and turn are for value? They are kind of small, making it cheaper for him to draw, and maybe he thinks you were drawing.
The shove on the river was to fold possible JJ in his range? Or do you think he would call with a weaker T or even 9x, pocket 8s?
EmanuelC16 12 years, 2 months ago
Check the equity of ATo vs a capped defending range based on his opening perecentage and see for yourself. :-)

Postflop is where I wanted comments, especially on our turn range + sizing. With TPTK vs a range that doesn't contain JJ+ we are obivously value betting. River play is clearly too thin of a shove without more info on villain and dynamics between us.
Aleksandra ZenFish 12 years, 2 months ago
argument is always good, see all sides and make it best u can find best solution and see if u mistaken something, he is just explaining his view point
EmanuelC16 12 years, 2 months ago
It's clear that river shove was bad now but the turn sizing was still unclear, so the discussion for far helped. Obv we can have arguments for both. If I'd bet 23 on the turn and check river, nobody would say anything about the hand when, in my opinion anyway, there's a lot to talk about doing non-standard plays vs a regular here given both ranges.
Felipe Stanquevisch 12 years, 2 months ago
I'm looking over and over at the hand and I still think the 3bet pre was as a bluff. The key to it is the villains fold to 3bet%, assuming he continues with only the top of his range, and 4betted only once in 8 opportunities, so we can assume he 4bets only premium hands, right? I think his range for calling 3bets is probably 99-JJ/QQ, AQ, KQ (maybe AJ or KJ, and maybe 77-88). I don't see a guy who folds a lot to 3bets calling much worst, unless you're abusing him by 3betting a lot.
That's why I don't think you have a hand to go for 3 streets of value, and if you think he is a reg, he is not gonna give his stack with less than TPTK. So it seems the river was to turn your hand into a bluff.
Now if we decide to go for two streets of value in this drawy board I would bet flop and turn higher and check river. If he was drawing, most of the draws have a Q in it, and if he was not calliing with a draw (likely as he played so passively) you're not getting called by worst.

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