SCOOP ME 45H: ICM suicide or standard?
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SCOOP ME 45H: ICM suicide or standard?
shaundeeb is on the BTN and he has been very active in the last hour, at least. So the 3bet is totally standard, both players play 50BB effective, blinds are 15K/30K/3750. Shaun decides to 4bet and calls off the jam. what are your thoughts?
Payouts:
1: 1,3M
2: 950K
3: 700K
4: 527K
5: 370K
6: 295K
7: 225K
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i was watching this live and i have no idea why this isn't a very standard raise/call and play flop IP. I know that tourney chips are super valuable cuz you can't reload, but i think that given the ICM implications and the uncertainty (IMO) of how light SB will attack this spot I'm gonna allow him to maneuver postflop and give him an opportunity to have aggression and win the pot more often with the weaker hands in his range in exchange for my position, ability to hand read postflop, and not increasing the likelihood of me getting my entire stack in with a marginal holding and 3 shorter stacks in play.
that's how i'd handle the situation too.
with the uncertainty and unpredictability of the SB 3bet and possible error in discrete hand ranges vs an active button range you would look for a better equity edge to 4bet/call?
with a steeper payout aren't you supposed to take thinner edges so long term you will profit more overall but then not everyone has makeup
with the uncertainty and unpredictability of the SB 3bet and possible error in discrete hand ranges vs an active button range you would look for a better equity edge to 4bet/call?
with a steeper payout aren't you supposed to take thinner edges so long term you will profit more overall but then not everyone has makeup
I mean strategies can change given reads on the SB (quite obviously) but i don't think any reasonable SB strategy would change my decision with the exact holding of 99 OTB
Did he win or lose with the 9s?
busto
With a very aggro image, I like the 4B/call indeed. Sure it sucks to bust at this stage, but it can be a very profitable situation if SB is likely to 5b shove light precisely because of ICM. ICM can go both ways.
Think there is merit in 4b shoving as well, instead of 4b/calling.
I think that 4b shoving a huge amt is going to play better in the ICM scenario than 4b/c. If they are both playing ICM aware it's an interesting spot to look at. I really don't see how you could gain enough equity in the 4b/c scenario even vs a wide range to overcome the equity you're risking and how reasonably likely you are to lose with 3 stacks lower than you. I'm not pretending I have an excellent grasp on this concept, but feel i have a good enough grasp that i'd need to see some very reasonable sims/maths to change my mind. Also think although many MTTers are not comfortable or playing well post flop anyone who does (is comfy) will be worlds better off calling, again just my feel/opinion.
why would the SB 3b/5b AI lighter because of ICM when your chips are taxed he only has 1BB left if he loses the hand? I like 4b shoving to protect your hand on the button, the button seems to have manipulated the SB ranges a bit.
if you lose you win $225k and if you win 3046514 then you are guaranteed at least 295k and a probability of the remaining prize pool?
lets just state that online cash players are way better than live tourney players and grab some popcorn.
its standart for crazy guys
crazy more close to idiots than to clever persons/
Math supports me here...
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