river spot vs 3bet cold caller
Posted by David Jimenez
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David Jimenez
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river spot vs 3bet cold caller
Blinds: $0.01/$0.02 (5 Players)
BB: albania31: $2.16
UTG: KaHcTpykTap: $2.21
CO: Bugriana: $1.65
BN: VAB55: $2.24
SB: David Bizar: $3.65 (Hero)
UTG: KaHcTpykTap: $2.21
CO: Bugriana: $1.65
BN: VAB55: $2.24
SB: David Bizar: $3.65 (Hero)
no info, 6 hands doesn't look clueless, 33/17
Preflop
($0.03)
David Bizar is SB with
K
K
, , , , ,
Flop
($0.51)
2
J
J
, ,
Turn
($0.79)
2
J
J
8
, ,
River
($1.27)
2
J
J
8
9
,
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There are many ways to play your hand here. What is the thought process or question?
Calling river is good, but it sucks that most draws got there.
yeah basically I want to know if I should call or fold otr and why since I think I'm good against his range by the turn but I couldn't see much I beat otr
IDK. My thoughts was more like folding overpair to 33%, 33% and 66% is a little tight and most of his range completely misses the board. Only Jx, QT, boats and flush beats you. Jx and boats can be discounted because of small turn bet.
I would also shrug my shoulders and think that I put in the minimal amount of money if behind because of the small turn/river bet and know that I would win much more money with my value hands here.
Not exactly the optimal thought process, but it was based more on feelings about the money put in compared to hand strength.
I'm not really sure what you meant. Did you basically say "fold river even though it may be exploitable due to pool image"?
lol if this isn't enough I don't know what is man
I think we can remove almost all Jx, QT and boats from his range because of pre/flop/turn action (maybe not at 2NL?). Then he is repping flush or ? If a flush gets there he can probably have many other hands too.
The most likely FDs contain Ks and you block that card. That leaves me to think he only has AQs for flushes at a high frequency. If he has more flushes he probably has a lot of air in his flop range.
still not sure what's your line
CB entire range with 33% pot size. Bet a little less than 1/3rd of remaining stack OTT. checking turn is also fine. Check decide OTR and fold to a shove.
cool ty
Why not CB?
think is difficult to play oop when I cbet this paired broadway flops, like a J can be in his range so I rather pot control. Should I be cbetting this?
c-betting 1/3 is fine here. Just because he has more Jx than you doesn't mean he hit it. Theres plenty of value to get
I like that ty. As played what you do on river?
As played I would call because fish can show up with anything here. But vs a reg for example river is a snap fold
what worst hands do you think he could show up with here? can you put him in a range otr please?
Imagine the same action/holding but different texture
: wet - not paired ... our hand will be played heavily value ( bet bet bet with fat sizes )...
On the other hand , In this texture 2JJr we can redesign our sizes to extract as thinnly value we can from his whole defending range..
so how about starting with 25-35% on flop to guarantee floats from 33/AQ for example?
Planning proceeding the same ( lower side ) sizes on the next streets
Also another note :
Don't narrow your thinking against monster ranges.... Picture his whole range spectrum and try to play against it ..
For example in this hand Jx/22 is a tiny percentage of his holdings.
great advice ty, I do this a lot but as you said I could just make it a small part of his range and play accordingly
I think cold calling a 3B is more likely going to be a middle pair or good suited broadway hands like AJs, KQs (although you heavily block that), AQs, etc. One thing to consider is if BB is a thinking reg he should know you are going to be 3-betting a wide range from SB vs. LP.
That being said, I like the idea of check calling flop and turn because you give his zero equity hands a chance to bluff at the pot. However, I like raising turn actually and getting it in if possible because villain is either way ahead or way behind your hand. If he has TT, he may get suspicious and make a bad hero call. If he decided to cold call your 3B with QQ (unlikely but have seen it before), you have him crushed, and you allow him to GII with a lot of his draws such as Axss and 9T.
Also, he only bet 1/3 on turn, so it kind of looks like he's setting his price for a draw since his bet doesn't exactly scream strength. He has to know that you have QQ+ in your range, so if he has Jx, I would think he would size bigger especially with a flush draw on the turn.
As played I think river is a fold. He bets small on the flop, bets small on the turn and then blasts it for 3/4 pot on the river after most of the draws come in. Does a Jx size this way on the river after you check call 2 streets? He has to know the draws were in your range too which is uncapped when he makes this bet. This bet just smells of a nutted hand trying to get value out of Jx or overpairs.
I would fold the river. I think it's a spot where many people run out of bluffs by the river and therefore their bluffing frequency is pretty low. We don't beat any valuehands either.
Every obvious (semi)bluffing hand that villain can have got there one way or another on the river, which makes me want to fold.
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