river shove again thin valuebet
Posted by Ondrej Rysavy
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river shove again thin valuebet
Blinds: $0.15/$0.30 (6 Players)
CO: $35.02
BN: $41.80
SB: $30.00
BB: $30.90 (Hero)
UTG: $21.97
MP: $39.53
BN: $41.80
SB: $30.00
BB: $30.90 (Hero)
UTG: $21.97
MP: $39.53
both villian is reg 22/17 MP(he bet river) 27/22BN
Preflop
($0.45)
Hero is BB with
Q
K
, , , , , , , ,
standart,but siziing is too smal right when two guys call open
Flop
($12.30)
2
J
A
, ,
this hit me hard ,but i dont think i have big Fold eguity
Turn
($12.30)
2
J
A
9
, ,
River
($12.30)
2
J
A
9
K
, , , ,
i rep here QT and KK,AK
his bet is weak he check flop and turn ,and king cant help him to much ,only KJ and QT (and KJ he still fold)
my line most look like pocket KK
Do you agree or this is crazy spawy
his bet is weak he check flop and turn ,and king cant help him to much ,only KJ and QT (and KJ he still fold)
my line most look like pocket KK
Do you agree or this is crazy spawy
Final Pot
BB wins $25.37
Rake is $1.33
Rake is $1.33
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I don't think you rep AK here as you probably bet flop or turn. I think you also often bet QT OTT with an open ended, so for me you mainly rep 3 combos of KK. It's really thin and I think MP often bet Ax OTT vs your double check, so his river bet is mainly a bluff or DP+ so I think calling is better than raising. Folding is fine too but I think Mp is bluffing a lot here as he only rep KJ and QT (and you block those hands)
Agreeing here. You can stab turn when both players checked the flop.
+1, this is just spewy - you make him fold his bluffs, and he's never folding better.
this is pure bluff ,and he never fold better?really?
if i post this hand ,but from other side ,from MP side ,all here say easy fold with almoust everythink because, what hand he bluffing here with ,he must have KK or QT...
I can only imagine this bet to work against AQ and AT. The rest will be 2pair or better or something you win against in SD.
you wanna say you insta call with KJ?
Why wouldn't he? You basically rep KK exclusively, so his blocker narrows it down to 1 combo. I don't think you play JJ or AA this way (JJ would bet flop close to 100% of the time to go for 3 streets), so you're left w/ KK (unless you also sqz QT, but they might expect you to bet F/T).
I also don't think MP will have a lot of AXs unless BU is a fish, and AQ probably leads ott.
If we had some reads on the guy, sure, nice hand. But given how most of the people play, it just looks fancy and unnecessary, and I would either XF or XC.
he beat only bluff with KJ and how many bluff i rep?
and one think ,from GTO ,i dont need any bluff here? if i shove here QT and KK?
Are you squeezing QT? Also you rep so thin that I'd snap this with KJ. You can stab turn when they both checl the flop.
MP won't check turn with 2pair+ or QT, and he 4bets AK and KK pre-flop close to 100% of the time. Thus he is capped at KJ, which we block, and i think folds to the shove anyway. You can credibly rep AA, JJ and KK IMO. AK i think you bet the flop or the turn with, and QT probably doesn't squeeze, and again bets flop or turn.
MP has Ax here very often IMO, and i think he folds that enough to your shove. Nice hand.
ok first I think you can cbet, but checking is fine, so w/e. I'd check turn once you check flop, dont agree with Disharmonist, since betting turn after checking flop reps either AA, which is few combos, or QQ-KK, which isnt that great to rep for obvious reasons.
Whilst you are right that, had you posted the hand with reversed roles, we'd argue that nobody ever bluffs like this, I think that you are disregarding his betting range, which should be reasonably strong, esp since your range improved otr. I would assume that he bets Ax and his pure bluffs sooner, which leaves QT and KJ. Now, you might get him to fold KJ, but he might get stubborn too. If he folds KJ, the line is somewhat ok I guess, if he doesnt, its a disaster. You have no idea how will he react.
Basically I think that this is fancy play syndrom, not justified in any way. Just xF or xC, if you think that he gets out of line too much.
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