River brings us flush on paired board and opponent bets
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River brings us flush on paired board and opponent bets
CO: $122.30
BN: $141.75
SB: $122.05 (Hero)
BB: $152.90
UTG: $78.20
HJ: $162.85
BN: $141.75
SB: $122.05 (Hero)
BB: $152.90
UTG: $78.20
HJ: $162.85
Preflop
($1.50)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
Q
8
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to $2, Hero calls $1.50, BB folds
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to $2, Hero calls $1.50, BB folds
I play suited Queen in SB - hand is playable...
Flop
($5.00)
J
7
6
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN bets $3,
Hero calls $3
Standard c/c, nothing else to add....
Turn
($11.00)
J
7
6
7
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN checks
River
($11.00)
J
7
6
7
5
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN bets $9
c/c OR c/r that is the question?
What do you think?
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I would bet the river and check/raise flop to begin with (or even 3 bet this pre flop).. as played you can raise here but you'd have a shitty time if he raises back, i doubt he will though because he checked back the turn. also you didn't provide much info on the villain
Maybe I posted wrong Q, it should've been posted: " bet or c/r?".
I checked the river planning to c/r, risking to not get value, but counting on his bluff/barrel/"value" bet, value bet with 2 pairs containing J, straight 89, and MAYBE 2 pairs when he holds 99, TT or (?) overpair. I just started to play at this table + don't use any HM/PT.
I think it depends a LOT upon type of villain I play against.
Also when I am beaten, the scenarios are:
- I bet and get re raised and I call
- I c/r and get called
- I c/r and got re raised
To recap: optimal move is to bet river.
Bet for value - I get called and I win, bet/call as bluff catcher (sometimes I lose, sometimes I win), in some rare cases bet/fold when we play vs nit and opponent tanks.
just call. be glad that he actually bet the river after you checked to him. most of the time i expect action to go something like this (on river)
hero bets 10, villain folds
hero bets 10, villain raises 34, hero tanks and makes a tough decision based on his previous experience with this player
hero checks, villain checks, hero takes down the pot
hero check, villain bets, hero calls, villain mucks, hero wins
hero checks, villain bets, hero raises, villain mucks
hero checks, villain bets, hero raises, villain ships it, hero mucks
i forgot to add,
hero bets, villain calls, hero wins
Fold this hand preflop esp if you have no reads like it seems that you do (otherwise I m sure you d post them right because they are important).
If you insist that its playable then 3 bet it. If I was in the bb ya esp peezy snap call preflop. Pretty ideal hand for that.
Postflop ya betting river is pretty mandatory for reasons others have stated.
When I play vs BN - I know I have positional disadvantage, but BN range doesn't need to be super strong, if someone else (except SB) raised me - I probably fold.
About reading....
I just sat at table.
Opponent's flop lead + turn check + river bet can mean next:
- he could have 89 hand
- he could have Td9d type hand
- he could have AdBd hand
I think he was drawing on flop when he checked the turn and bet big river, the Q is what he was drawing to?
Now we come to mandatory river bet as he calls it in most cases when he has str8 or F (weaker or stronger). When he re raises us we may consider folding....
Thanks anyway ( thanks to all others also).
PS Who is the guy on your picture, if it isn't secret?
I like not to fold this hand PF and don't like to 3-bet it, it's pure call hand in BB.
But we re in the sb. Pretty big difference and if you don t think so then you have a enormous leak in your understanding.
Opponent's flop lead + turn check + river bet can mean next:- he could have 89 hand- he could have Td9d type hand- he could have AdBd hand
Ok so I don t think he ll call a c/r here with a str8 and how do you do vs a range of Adxd, Td9d, and say 55?
I think betting river is best cause you give Jx a chance to call but he ll most likely check it back.
The picture is a drawing that is in the classical drawing course "Charles Bargue Course de Dessin" used in the 19th century french art academy. Its a copy of a drawing by Hans Holbein.
Hans Holbein is part of the northern renaissance I believe and is a total wizard at painting especially when you consider he was around in the early 1500s. His portraits are incredible and they have some a couple here in berlin.
When you state: "If I was in the bb ya esp peezy snap call preflop. Pretty ideal hand for that."
Why wouldn't I call Qd8d especially when BN min raises pre?
If there were 2 players in the hand - I snap fold....
I play OOP vs everyone one-on-one or m-w in SB, if I need to chose vs whome I play o-o-o when I play in SB - it's BN - as his range is the widest (particularly when UTG, HJ and CO fold).
The fact that I am in SB more reflects upon advice that I could 3-bet Qd8d - which I personaly wouldn't be doing in SB neither as bluff...
But OK.... Nevermind....
Yes - u r right - we graduated river....
Picture is amazing - I like renaissance a lot.
Best regards.
PS I wrote incorrectly BB instead SB in previous post
Ya the I just came back a couple weeks ago from a trip to Rome and Florence. Florence is basically a overdose of the renaissance lol. Its pretty amazing.
Thanks for the advice, regards.
I re raised (c/r) river to $25 and got just called by opponent that won hand with Ad3d.
Thanks all.
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