river bluff shove vs c/r flop ever viable?

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river bluff shove vs c/r flop ever viable?

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (6 Players) BN: $67.70
SB: $101.09
BB: $106.60
UTG: $100.00 (Hero)
MP: $107.70
CO: $146.80
Preflop ($1.50) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $2.25, 4 folds, BB calls $1.25
Flop ($5.00) 2 5 7
BB checks, Hero bets $1.19, BB raises to $4.76, Hero calls $3.57
Turn ($14.52) 2 5 7 J
BB bets $9.10, Hero calls $9.10
River ($32.72) 2 5 7 J K
BB bets $24.08, Hero raises to $83.89 and is all in, BB

Villain is typical regular

c/r I think is
22, 55, 77, 68s, 89s, (88, 99, TT, JJ), A7s, (33, 66, 44) ((KQ)), A3, A4 something along those lines

For the turnbet I guess its the strong GSs, OESDs w picked up flushdraws, almost no Jx and the sets

And the riverbet narrows his range to 57, the flopped sets and sometimes KJ or and odd J7, K7 and calling is never an option

We valueshove JJ, KK, 77 and not more IMO

So... do you want to have bluffshoves here? Or is this too rare of a spot?! Can and should villains fold 77/55/22?!

Not sure about my line but it looks pretty strong and we would never play JJ, KK, 77 differnetly up to the river imo

Or does anyone argue for a call here?

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AJL97 7 years, 5 months ago

I'd cbet bigger and call river assuming villain is capable of firing three with air. I can't see why calling is never an option unless you think villain is never trip barreling 89s/86s/A3s/A4s. Therefore if you can never call AA, you're assuming villain hasn't enough bluffs so you're trying to bluff shove into a range of sets/2P which means your fold equity is reduced massively making it a likely -EV play. Your shove is contradictory to your assumptions for not calling unless you have some reads that villain can make sick hero folds but I doubt you actually have pure data on this.

In terms of hand choice, you're better shoving TT/QQ/hearts which don't block bluffing range, possibly 5x/7x are better shoves but they also have good reason to call.

kalciis 7 years, 5 months ago

The smaller u cbet the more he raises on flop, so his raising range is pretty wide against the size imo. When facing an agressive opponent, and he might barrel these overcards after flop raise with wide range, u wont really know how strong ur hand is. He might show up with k3hh for ex., and he might show up with sets, or might just spazz with atc against ur sizing. U should bluff catch wider when u cbet such small sizing imo

hkabir200291 7 years, 5 months ago

Also when villian bets aroind pot on river i expect his range to be polarised as AJL97 has said we will get snapped by sets too often which are a large part of his value range i like a call in hindsight

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