Recommended 6max Winrates By Position
Posted by MartL1
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Recommended 6max Winrates By Position
For instance at FR in the blinds I were working on losing 20bb/100 for the SB and 40bb/100 for the BB were pretty average and any better than that we are doing well. What about for the other positions?
Any help would be appreciated.
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Now consider that over 100k hands you only saw every position in 16k hands. Now re-enter the simulation over only 16k hands - and you´ll see that it´s pretty much worthless to strive at (or even care about) positional winrates unless you have like 3 mio. hands. But as soon as you collected that many hands you probably have significantly altered your game many times in certain areas so winrates differ over single timeframes and what you´ll see will always be a foggy average.
Short: ignore winrates, even more so positional.
/rant :)
If they have a decent sample their winrates should be accurate and something that Martin can compare his winrates to.
Whereas if nobody told him the winrates that he could achieve at his stakes, he had no comparision so he could not even conclude that his winrate was subpar and be content with it. Then he would work on his game from the blinds while his games from the button was lacking much more.
The idea is that focusing too much on optimizing one specific area of your game can be detrimental if it opens up problems in other parts of your game. I've seen this in myself and others... and I've seen the benefits of making a "bad" play only to have an opponent compensate by making a bunch more bad plays because they've over-adjusted.
I think all Im really wanting is a basis point to start with like GameTheory suggests. Ive tried to do a bit of research and it seems that my loss rates from the blinds should be less than at FR but Im not sure by how much. Should they be halfed? Also speaking to a few people it seems about 20bb/100 for the CO and 30bb/100 for the BTN is pretty decent at FR.
I think thats where the problem lies though in that I can look at my overall WR and have a good sense of how I am doing but it hard to say without having a rough idea of numbers how I am performing in spots like the blinds.
At the moment my WR by position looks like this SB -8bb/100 BB -37bb/100 EP 23bb/100 MP 9bb/100 Co 11bb/100 BTN 23bb/100. So going on that so far my opinion is that Im leaking in the BB and probably running good in EP but not winning as much as I should from the CO and BTN. Now obviously I can go over hands in those positions to get a feel how I am running but without having a sense of averages its really hard to know if Im over or underperforming in general.
Perhaps some useful information can be taken away from it but the amount of time you spend figuring it out is it not just more productive to analyze postflop trouble spots thoroughly? I mean like full range analysis with your tool of choice (oracle, crev or whatever) on both sides of the problem. Your going to improve your understanding of your ranges and their ranges and what to do about it sooooo much more faster then you will by compiling a big database and then finding out that your probably not winning as much as you could in positions. Watch Leforts 6 max series if you want ideas about how to approach preflop problems and how to factor them in.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56/medium-stakes-pl-nl/6-max-winrate-lossrate-position-467019/
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