Question for People Playing NL5 & 10 on GG
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Question for People Playing NL5 & 10 on GG
I have a question for People playing on GG about their built in HUD / tendencies of regs at these stakes. I keep seeing people with absolutely astronomical 3 bet % at NL5 and 10 but I don't know if I can trust the hud or not. More often then not if I were to repeatedly open the hud for different players and sample the 3 bet % the numbers are way too high. I don't know if there is something very off about the hud or if this is an exploitative adjustment a lot of regs are making. I realize the samples are small per player, but collectively it seems the 3b% is high for the entire population. Is this a fault with the HUD or are people in the pool really going ham with the light 3 bets? I've confirmed this with another player and he seems to be seeing the same kinds of numbers.
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I think that the hud on GG only takes in consideration the last 100 hands. I dont use it at all and only take in consideration notes that I have on a villan.
Thanks. I thought something was off about that hud. Thing is though. While my sample per person is small, my overall population sample is decently bigger. Meaning everytime I open the hud for different players I see pretty large 3 bet %. I'm wondering if maybe this is sampling error or if people really are going wide with the 3 bets
Is there a way to import GG hands into PT4/HM? If you have a sample in there, you can filter it /create player report so that you can get the exact numbers from your database and can eliminate that HUD altogether.
You can download hands but villains are anonymised.
Yeah, you can import and see how agressive the pool is. From my reports 10nl and 25nl pool is not 3betting enough and not even close. For example bb v sb the pool is under 3betting like 10%.
maco Yeah, I play mostly Ignition and it is similar. The highest 3b % you will find there is roughly 10% and that is BvB. CO vs BTN is between 8 and 9%.
Kind of a good rule of thumb, without player specific stats, is to assume about 5-6% MP, 6-7% CO, 8-10% BTN, 8-10% SB and around 10% for BB vs SB. Just so tight across the board.
Yeah there is. But I might be missing some hands as they only let you download the last 3 months and I think I missed a few months. I'll probably do that today
Yeah, if you can import them, you can set up a "player" report in PT4 and just add stats like 3b/ATS/4b/etc and then run the report and that should give you a pretty accurate overview of what is going on. I used Hand2Note for Ignition but I also sometimes run the player reports in PT4. I am not familiar with HM but I am positive it can be done in that software also.
I believe these stats are now actually accurate. People really are 3betting this much, you see it up to 50 too. If you see the hands they turn up with at showdown, you start to realise that they are just crazy.
It's not that these people are crazy, it's just often simper to implement a 3bet or fold strategy
MrMoglin I'm not arguing against 3bet or fold, I'm arguing against 3betting 22, A6s, K7s etc. that I always see 3bet from earlier spots like CO vs UTG, for example.
Yup. And the 3 bet calls they make are even funnier
Something just seems amiss with these Steal/3b numbers.
If, they are trying operating like this, simply pummel them with 3 bets when they steal and see how they react. Also, adjust your RFI size so you can fold/call more vs 3b and 4b as usual (I would cut the bluffs and just go ape shit in a linear fashion).
But, here is my problem with these numbers, how can a guy steal 79% (a steal is CO/BTN/SB in PT4) and only have an RFI of 20%?
Best I can come up with for you is that the 79% steal attempt is the overall stat for the 3 positions which would be 26% +/- or, if GG only considers the BTN and SB as steal positions, the steal % would be just under 40%. My pool steal 36%.
I would venture to guess it is the same thing for the 3b%. You have 5 positions where 3b is possible so you probably have to divide 37% by 5 for the top guy and 30 by 5 for the bottom guy. My pool is just under 7% and this top guy would be 7.4% and the bottom guy would be 6% 3b.
SpankoPita22 As for the hands you listed out (22, A6s, K7s I think they were) is this from showdown or do you download/see hole cards at some point?
Hey man. That wasn't me who listed out those hands. Regarding ATS, I also see high ATS stats a lot. Maybe they play tighter EP and wider LP. Maybe they steal range from BU or SB. Also, thing is about this GG hud is that the way it used to work, the vpip and pfr stats used to track only the last 100 hands. And I believe maybe it stayed like this while the rest of the stats track hands played with the player.
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