QQ xr in 3way

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QQ xr in 3way

Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players) BN: $29.84
SB: $45.52
BB: $27.74
UTG: $14.80
MP: $40.33 (Hero)
CO: $20.73
Preflop ($0.35) Hero is MP with Q Q
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $0.90, CO folds, BN calls $0.90, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.65
utg 45/6 over 30 hands, btn 18/10 over 120 hands
Flop ($3.05) 2 5 5
UTG checks, Hero checks, BN bets $1.45, UTG folds, Hero raises to $4.00, BN calls $2.55
Turn ($11.05) 2 5 5 8
Hero bets $6.97, BN calls $6.97
River ($24.99) 2 5 5 8 6
Hero bets $28.46 and is all in, BN folds
River shove is 72bb effective into 100bb pot
Final Pot MP wins $23.62
Rake is $1.37

Question 1: How do you manage the cbet node? I know that in theory it's close to a range check given the amount of unpaired hands in my range. But do we want to follow theory in a 3way spot with 2 recs?

Question 2: Is this strong enough to play like this ?

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RaoulFlush 2 years, 2 months ago

Tricky spot as these MW-pots are a beast.
But im fine with it. BU is so tight that he shouldnt have much 5x and if has 88/66 so be it.
Folding with the Qs OTR is also not a thing i guess at this SPR
So i would expect the decision between XC and jam is close in EV anyways.

jsimon101 2 years, 2 months ago

Idk if "range check" applies to mwp woth a 40/6... if they have like AK or 88 they're incentivized to call. As lkng as you get it in eventually im good with it.xr otf just feels like fps.

i-hate-soup 2 years, 2 months ago

Hey Trinity
For Preflop I would 4x. UTGs calling range is not going to change if you raise it anther 1/2bb. this helps your win rate over all. I like to think about how big of a mistake I can force weak players to make pre flop.

Flop I think we can bet or check with intention to check raise. If button is an agro fish I check to him if they are both very passive I am more inclined to C-bet this flop.

"Question 2: Is this strong enough to play like this ?"
I am not sure about this. I was trying to think about what hands are calling are Jam 99-JJ?

Maybe A8

what are your thoughts on his calling range? I think in theory we should be block betting small and checking some %.

By the river are hand is much weaker.

Cheers

Trinity 2 years, 2 months ago

Hi soup.
Would you still 4x if you had regs behind who 3bet aggresively ?
Honestly i didn't think much about his calling range, i don't have info about him being sticky or not, also because this is a zoom hand. Main reason i shove is i don't want to x/f with a 70% pot bet remaining, he'd probably check behind most of the pairs I beat, so jam looked like the best option. Didn't think about block either. I would be really uncomfortable blocking at this spr, what would you do facing a shove ?

HawksWin 2 years, 2 months ago

I am kind of indifferent here. Not real thrilled to check and face a bet here so I think I prefer getting it in on river by jamming (when we get here in this line).

We unblock any 5x/FD's. I think he can realistically have all A5s/65s/54s/22. Thats 10 combos. If he is calling 55/22, he is likely calling 99/88/77/66. Assuming he never folds preflop and rarely squeezes within this range, I feel pretty confident flop to turn. Not to mention the call way too many suited hands here, so there are FD's in play. There are 8 solid outs for naked FD's, Qh is a turn I think you get max value out of by the end of the hand.

Long story short, you crush all but 10 or so combos (unless he plays AA/KK this way). Put 66/77 in his range, you are now in a dominating position flop to turn.

I think his range is diluted enough flop to turn that filled BDFD's are pretty unlikely too. We block the best BDFD's that would continue vs XR. AQss/KQss/QJss and of course there is 43s sometimes but I don't think they continue all 43s preflop in this line.

I am more worried about turned/rivered sets than I am close BDFD's. I think 99-22 is going to be in their range a lot pre. Some guys will squeeze TT (I would here sometimes), but some will call it.

If you completely disregard your cards, I think U simply get enough folds here on the river over a large sample and this fact alone makes me want to just go with it. You are risking 75% pot so the bet needs to work 43%+. He is going to have some winners here (I think 66 fills them sometimes and I think 88 fills them sometimes).

On a side note, I am pretty happy to get isolated vs a shorty (60% stack) and pretty much wreck him over the course of a large sample when you compare QQ with the fishy limp/calls you see. Therefore, I think I am going to 5 or 6bb as my iso here.

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