QQ SBvMP 3bet 150bb eff, QJ8r 4 T (back-to-back QQ vs same villain)
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QQ SBvMP 3bet 150bb eff, QJ8r 4 T (back-to-back QQ vs same villain)
BB: $30
UTG: $30
HJ: $73.85
CO: $64.59
BN: $30.30
SB: $44.59 (Hero)
UTG: $30
HJ: $73.85
CO: $64.59
BN: $30.30
SB: $44.59 (Hero)
Villain is 54/30 over a small sample. Overly-aggressive postflop, but as we find out his 4bet range is unbalanced.
Preflop
($0.45)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
Q
Q
UTG folds, HJ raises to $1.80, CO folds, BN folds, Hero raises to $4.65, BB folds, HJ calls $3
UTG folds, HJ raises to $1.80, CO folds, BN folds, Hero raises to $4.65, BB folds, HJ calls $3
Villain would of been CO but a new player posts in CO and villain is HJ. Since villain is opening so wide 25%+ 30% from all positions QQ is an easy value bet.
Flop
($9.90)
Q
J
8
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
HJ bets $5.17,
Hero calls $5.17
This texture is bad for my 3bet range AND/OR hits a 3bet calling rnage more, and i think villain will stab as his range is so wide so i elect to check. most cards are good for me besides a 9/T that would complete some of his pair+gutters
Turn
($20.24)
4
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
HJ checks
I check turn again hoping villain will stab again but he checks behind.
River
($20.24)
T
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
HJ bets $10.34,
Hero calls $10.34
Very awkward river card, maybe a 9 is worse? I'm not sure how wide he value bets here. The 1/2pot bet looks like a value bet. I think my curiosity got the better of me OR i was too attached to top set and i call.
Final Pot
HJ has
A
K
HJ
wins $39.31
Looking at both hands together:
If villain isn't 4betting AK then his 4bet range would be heavily skewed towards bluffs OR his 4bet range is only KK+? QQ+? The hand before he made a 33bb 4bet when we were 200bb deep, now it looks like he may of just had AA/KK. so his overly aggressive preflop play isn't continuing into his 4bet range.
He has a half pot bet for value. so that his flop cbet in a 4bet pot on 442r one hand earlier was clearly a bluff?
I don't stick to my plan of folding to bad runouts - it took me one hand to deviate from my plan, since i felt hard done by the hand earlier with QQ and now i have QQ again and make top set and i still have to fold again.
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why are u checking the flop after hitting top set? a 9 or 10 kills your action and obviously you may then be beat. Tbh i like betting flop and C/R the turn on a brick. Its impossible to fold river with top set with those pot odds as you are beating most of his value range such as lower sets and his 2P type hands. Also when you say that this board is bad for your 3 bet range surely you must have QQ,JJ,AQ and at a push 88
[TT]/JJ/AQ are not in my 3bet value range until the opener's range reaches 35%+. 88 isn't in my 3bet range at all.
I check QJ8r because this board texture should connect with my opponent's 3bet calling range that contains plenty of AQ/KQ/QJ and other broadway suited type hand sand some offsuit. My 3bet value range is quite stuck here AK/AA/KK only QQ does well, so i elect to begin with a check with my entire range here. Some of my 3bet bluffs will be top- or midpair with weak kickers which i would also use to bluff-catch.
*in your range
I think you need to base the hands you 3 bet as value on his 3bet calling range. Vpip is irrelevant in deciding to 3 bet for value. For example someone who calls 100% of 3bets who plays 25/10 is better to 3 bet than someone who calls only 10% of the time with a vpip of 40/20. The first example will show up with a weaker range on average than the following. These are obviously exxagerated but I hope you see the point
http://www.runitonce.com/chatter/forgetting-what-it-means-to-be-a-winner/
Daz - Based on this post I believe you may have some monsters under your bed. I don't believe that you got to be a winning player and up to $50nl by checking back top set in a 3b pot on a draw heavy board that you already admit may have hit the villain's calling range that you would more than likely get value from by leading the flop.
I had the opportunity to play baseball in college. There were times I would go thru slumps where my game and confidence would not be at the level that I knew it should be, and what got me thru it was working on the basic fundamentals of the game not trying to out-think it.
I am no where near the level of player that you are at this game, so I am in no way trying to advise you how to play your game. You definitely don't need someone like me telling you did or did not play a hand poorly.
i didn't check back i was OOP. I'm checking to gain a bet from all worse hands and all value hands - this seems completely logical and the ranges ive assigned myself and my opponent.
BigFiszh notes i should be check/raising
If i'm betting the flop with my entire 3bet range, alot of the time it will be bet-bet-decide and i wont know whether i've been value-cutting myself or possibly folding the best hand on poor runouts.
Checking the flop is not atrocious, but if you do so - PLEASE x/r and not x/c.
I don`t really see the need to balance your range against 54/30 guy to perfection.
True this flop is better for his range, but you`ll have enough AKcc AJcc TT 99 KQ-AQs KK AA to protect your x/calling range with, so i`d just go ahead and b, b, shove, or bet bit, shove turn vs this villain.
i don't have AJs TT 99 KQ AQs in my 3bet range BvCO
dont even waste time thinking about range vs range for some 54/30 donk at nl30. Either bomb the eff out of the flop because he has a ton of hands that are going to happily call, or c/r huge because hes lots of hands that will bet and then call. c/c is pretty attrocious imo
also, im not sure how much the PF analysis translates to the other hand, because he opened 6x here (vs a poster?), so he may just be more scared of your 3 bet than in previous situation? I dunno, it is weird tho.
agreed with toothpaste :)
again fish (who isnt epic agressiv) i m the one who trying send all stack in to middle (because fish more likely make bad call ,than some thin value bet)
Agreed, i'm usually just betting and letting them call with worse. i thought this was a special case, feeling that villain is going to stab or value bet worse with a very high frequency
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