QQ in 3b pot after coldcalling preflop
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QQ in 3b pot after coldcalling preflop
BN: $132.21
SB: $74.26
BB: $127.85 (Hero)
UTG: $84.87
HJ: $574.32
CO: $131.11
SB: $74.26
BB: $127.85 (Hero)
UTG: $84.87
HJ: $574.32
CO: $131.11
Preflop
($1.50)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
Q
Q
UTG raises to $3, HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to $10, SB folds, Hero calls $9, UTG folds
UTG raises to $3, HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to $10, SB folds, Hero calls $9, UTG folds
UTG is a fish and I assume BTN (reg) is isolating him quite a lot here. I decided to coldcall to keep the fish in the pot.
Flop
($23.50)
7
6
6
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN bets $14,
Hero calls $14
Turn
($51.50)
7
6
6
9
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN bets $25
Villain's CB in 3b pots is 88/53/76 but considering my preflop coldcalling range which is going to be mostly pocket pairs and suited broadways I'm not sure whether I'm any good here. I might be chopping with QQ but I don't think he has all combos of JJ and that many FDs/bluffs after I called flop. After all, QQ is at the top of my range but calling this street means calling off most rivers and his 3barreling range in this spot is probably very narrow (QQ-AA, AKcc, AQcc).
How do you guys play this?
How do you guys play this?
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I`m not sure if it is ok, but I would not be folding here. He could easily bet a lot of Ak,AQ,AJcc that just picked up equity in the hand, he could also bet 88,TT,JJ vs your draws.
He doesn't have that many AK-AJcc (just 3 combos vs 13 combos of AA-QQ). I don't think he'd bet 88-JJ here given the flop texture (he could easily check them back) and his 50% turn CB (followed by 76% of river bets which suggests he 3barrels mostly premium hands, especially after our preflop line). Damn I mean it's still the top of our range but it feels as if he's always ahead here - I don't see that many bluffs in his range.
I think you are way too pessimistic in this spot. I did not mean the 3 combos of AKcc,AQcc,AJcc. Those especially but with his turn continuation %, he could easily have any AJ,AQ,Ak in this spot.
88-JJ ? Why would he not bet for both protection and value against your perceived weak-ish range? is he expecting to see TT-QQ often from you in this spot? Don't think so. I think he can easily fire turn trying to fold your equity in the hand.
It's just really important to have a good idea how light is he isolating the fish.
I would cold4 and gii, fish folding isn't as bad as you seem to think imo. I would rather just flat aces if something, generally not a fan of coldcalling 3b 100bb deep. As played I would x/c turn to and re-valueate river.
We're almost 130bb deep and I'm pretty sure getting it in here would be slightly -EV. I'll check it later in CREV.
LBN, lets make it easy: 130bb compared to 100bb aint really much of a difference. QQ is the 3rd nuts preflop you have great equity and crúsh most of both players ranges, why not get money in when you likely have most equity? Calling leaves you with following disadvantages: you are oop and invite overcallers, you give your opponent a free look at the flop and let his equity probably improve a lot. You dont have initative, so every action postflop lays your hand pretty much faceup.
When you assume he is isoing the fish wide why do we think that and how wide is wide? Maybe TT+, AJ+ and a couple suited high card combos? I would think he would be more weighted towards playable high cards than something like A6s, 56s. It's also pretty key how strong that assumption is as obviously if there's a decent chance he's just AK+ and QQ+ then we fare alot worse on those occasions.
I would call here also.
I 4bet-stack off, or x/r this flop.
and expect to get value from what?
I really think it's just a spew to either 4bet pre with a fish behind and being almost 130bb deep or XR flop to achieve nothing but folds from worse hands and calls from better ones or one QQ combo to split the pot.
who says worse dont call? you assume your opponents play perfectly and read your hand accordingly. Especially when there is a fish behind i reraise for value. I saw many weak ppl calling 4 bets with a9 off and somethingstupid.
I just don't see that many bluffs he could have and we also block AQ which he could bluff shove vs our 4bet. AK is the only weaker hand he's stacking off vs us. Maybe JJ but I haven't seen many regs do it nowadays. Most of his 5b shoving range will contain just KK+ and some AK
I can see why you're cold calling preflop and It would probably be my default play. However, I think there is a big problem with that. What is your cold calling range in this spot ? KK and AA you probably 4bet for value, AK I dont think you're cold calling oop. So your hand looks like exactly what it is.. QQ and maybe JJ-TT, AQs (??).
I could be wrong, but when he 2barel a 9 high board, I dont expect him to have AJ or AQ type hand (he would probably cb with em) but more overpair (TT, JJ, KK, AA) , set (99) or KQ, KJ that pick up a FD. Do you think he has TT-JJ in his range a lot after his action ?
Also consider your postion. Cold calling IN position is way way more +ev than oop. We dont only have to think about our preflop deception play but also how we get the money in if we have the best hand. We can x/r the flop or turn, where we almost never get called by worse. Or we check/ call him down , hoping no a or k hits. Coldcalling to "keep the fish in the pot" is just plain wrong and stupid. Pairs dont play well in multiwaypots. Lets say he calls with a small pair or suitedconnectors. On a board like this, he crushes your qq.
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