QQ against shortstack
Posted by Alex Geiger
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QQ against shortstack
I've 3 hands about Villain, He plays 100/0.
There's a lot of value OTF against 7x, 8x, FDs, OESDs, Ahigh floats, low pocket pairs.
Turn is interesting, because He had just 21 BB. Most of his flop range will fold to a turn bet, pocket pairs will check to get SD, 8x Kx will probably valuebet the river, and busted draws will probably shove the river... Can his river betsize be a difference between valuebet and bluff?
What should I do in this spot?
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when a fish (or almost anyone at these stack in fact) c/r turn you can be sure that 90%+ of the time they gonna show you a very strong hand.
Anyway, I like the flop CB. Turn is more close I guess because he can have a lot of 8/K but there is also a million draws. I would go for the bet option just hoping (from the fact that he is 100/0 for 4 hands and it's nl10) that he is the kind of guy capable to call he draws/7 and maybe worse even on a paired board. But it's a clear bet/fold.
River as played I would fold.
Tips for next hand: don't show the result :)
there is no river, villain is 29BB whoysoeasy
ahah yeah I should go to sleep. But still think we should bet flop. Lot of worst hands can call and lot of cards will block the action on the turn.
Check/call turn imo. Get value from the draws without fear of them shoving on you.
Thank you! If anybody knows that the results are don't matter, it's irrelevant that I show them or not. :)
Alex the hand plays differently since your IP vs shortstacker.
When Flop comes AXX, or KXX...
your either way ahead or way behind villains BB calling range. So i like a check flop
1) its for deception, where i could allow villain to bluff off his stack
2) WAWB scenario, where if villain is behind, he only has 3-outs max on my QQ hand range, either 3(A), or 3 (K)
3)I have backdoor FD with second nut flush equity, so i could check flop to reevaluate turn street
It is relevant it will affect the quality of the advise given. I've posted on forums for years and I hate it when people give results as I know it influences my decision without me consciously meaning for it to.
Ok, I'll hide the results next time. Thank You TheLove_Below! Instructive comment.
I like checking the flop as well with intent of calling him down, while pot controling at the same time.As played you should not bet the turn.
I don't understand, why should I check the flop, because there are a tonn of value here... :/
TheLove_Below pretty much summed it up for you ^^.What worse hands are you getting value from?
LoL... 7x, 8x, FD, OESD, pocket pairs, GS combinations. This player definitely won't play fit or fold in this texture. Ok, He can bluff his stack, as TL_B said, but however there are a lot of value here, I think.
Yeah like I said in my post I think we have to CB the flop. Don't really understand TLB and Hustla about checkingback the flop.
Like I and Alex said we have a lot of value and a lot of card will block the action turn. If a diamond, 9, 6, J, A come turn we gonna have a hard time value betting if he check or calling if he start to bet.
Alex you don`t understand what i`m saying.Do you have any understanding of absolute vs relative-hand strength?The whole point of checking back this flop, is that you mask the strentgh of your own hand, and give him a chance to barrell off the X%(∞) of his range that he would just X/f on the flop.That`s basically what we achieve by X back the flop, and taking the less varianced route.Queens is not the hand strong enough to go for 2/3 streets of value on Kxx board.If you had Kt+ here, i would advocate to just barrell all 3 streets for value, but in this case imo checking back is superior then cbeting.
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