Preflop adjustements vs Fishes
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Preflop adjustements vs Fishes
How would you adapt your opening range in the follow situations (100BB effective stack, fish = loose passive player, all other positions play solid poker nothing out of line):
- We are in the CO and the BU is a fish. Should we go looser (try to isolate the fish with a raise) or should we go tighter (because the BU will flat call a ton of hands and give the blinds a good opportunity to see the flop for a better price or 3betting more to extract more value)?
- We are in the BU and in the SB is a fish. Should we increase our open-raise range (to isolate the fish) or our open-limp range (to see with more hands a flop)? And how would you adjust when the Fish is in the BB?
- At the end in addition a general question. If we are sitting on a table full of fishes how would you adjust our opening ranges in the different positions? My idea:
EP: tighter than my standard opening (because they will flat a ton of hands and we often have to play postflop in a multiway pot OOP with a too wide range)
MP, HJ, CO: tighter than my standard opening but adapting not so strong than in EP
BU, SB: looser (because we want to increase our chance to play IP against 1 or 2 fishes to abstract money postflop)
Thank you for any answer :)
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Whenever a loose recreational player is involved our EV go's up, therefore id argue we should play slightly looser than our standard ranges. More so IP imo
THX for the reply :)
But what about going tighter OOP when the fish is for example in the BU and we are sitting in the CO? I would adjust like this because the fish will flat many hands and give the blinds a better price to join us.
I guess in that situation you take into account the fact that the likely-hood of the pot going multi-way increases.
So maybe drop some hands that you play worse multi-way and keep playing those that do. Keeping in mind nut potential and multi-way playability. I think a standard CO opening range does fine tho, even when it go's multi-way a lot because I think these players are going to make more mistakes than I do, and they still play a weaker range than me.
Another thing to keep in mind is preflop open-size.
In this case id open larger because I play stronger better ranges and have skill edge postflop, increasing the pot-size capitalizes on this.
I like the idea to open bigger thank you :D
So against a table full of fishes: You would play in EP and MP a bit a tighter range but increase our bet size (maybe 3x) to get more value with our stronger holdings because they will flat anyway?
But when we are playing at the BU against a fish in the blinds we shouldn’t go bigger with our bet size (because we are playing a weaker looser range)?
Personally I start opening 22-55 from EP, on a reggy table these are folds for me. So Id play slightly more hands from that position.
As for BU id increase sizing too, Id be raising a normal tight solid ~35-40% of hands. I don't think we can go too much wider. Id love to play more hands vs these guy's but you kinda run out of hands to play imo. If you go wider you start to play hands that have poor playability postflop multiway imo. Therefore to further exploit I still play this normal range but increase my sizing. When you have 2 good regs, when id increase sizing I should play a tighter range to compensate. But since they are not I can get away with it.
THX for all advices
I personaly like to play a 55% range on the BU but you strategy seems also good.
Get a little creative with a table full of fishes:
1. you want to limp a lot, limp behind a lot lot lot esp BU
2. you can increase your raise size more to 6x or even to 15x if its the case, you have to see how they react and then estimate which one is the highest EV.
3. you want to play BU a lot, as raise size i guess you can really mix it up
There are a lot of creative stuff you can do.
(for example with 22-55 you want more to limp and just hit the set, if there are 2 limpers and you are on BU you should overlimp 75o, etc...)
At full ring tables with 1-2 rec players I want to isolate these people as much as possible.
In low-mid stakes live this is very easy, as the other players don’t compensate correctly (or at all) to our opening range changes.
Obviously we don’t want to be going insane OOP, but I’m definitely not tightening up.
The best way I heard it out from a pro years ago is fish have a timer over their heads and they will give their money away. We should try to get as many opportunities with them within reason before they do that.
haahah nice comparsion
So you are not a fan of tighting-up when we are OOP even when the likelyhood increases that the blinds will 3betting us light?
First I need to see that the blinds are actually going to be doing this. I don't want to treat it as a forgone conclusion. If this is actually happening, then yes we should not get out of hand OOP.
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