Possible spew flop multiway 3betshove?
Posted by zorgar
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Possible spew flop multiway 3betshove?
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players)
BN: abuserkid: $25.00 (Hero)
SB: KnightMover1: $26.69
BB: L.E.V. "11": $28.48
UTG: VINT_int: $32.46
MP: purplestufff: $104.46
CO: manchester87: $20.70
SB: KnightMover1: $26.69
BB: L.E.V. "11": $28.48
UTG: VINT_int: $32.46
MP: purplestufff: $104.46
CO: manchester87: $20.70
Preflop
($0.35)
abuserkid is BN with
7
8
, , , ,
Flop
($2.60)
6
3
5
, ,
Villains are both unknown. I dont think this hand gets much value by calling flop and i think its the perfect hand to use as a bluffraise since its has 27% equity vs his sets here. I honestly dont know if having a shoving range here is even good. I also think the huge raise of co and the decent possibility of him bluffing makes this a reasonable spot.
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Shoving flop is probably not optimal but with all the equity you have I don't think it's bad either. That said I think you can easily call the raise also. You call with sets right?
The advantage of shoving is that you always get to realise your equity. When you call and MP shoves you are forced to fold but it's not a disaster I think.
Fwiw, I'd fold all overpairs in my range otf, so if MP rips it in with overpairs it's a pretty big disaster for him against my range because he only gets me to fold the 3 combos of 87 and always gets called by my sets.
You have to fold.
You equity is too bad vs sets (and you don't block them) and vs nut FD (and ppl will go with it 3-way).
Rainbow flop and we have a backdoor straightflushdraw. I think reraising here as bluff is pretty wild, we could cold call if stacks were much deeper, yet we have to say that our straight outs are live and we gain 4% EQ by having a bd flushdraw.
Yeah, I guess you are right, call is +EV at least slightly.
As im understanding it, nobody is trying to have a raising range here at all? Which hands would you actually coldcall here? Obviously sets possibly 2 combos of 65 (if you have it) and 44 are probably the only candidates i even have here.
It's 25NL and based on pre-flop this looks so much like a set. Not sure what hands you think he 3 bets here that aren't setts 99,1010? Without some sort of read on villain this is just a fold.
I had a phase of playing my draws very aggressively at micros and I very rarely did well in spots like this and overall it was just unnecessary spew.
u haz best draw possible, by shoving u turn ur EQ into bluff , which hand u actually dont shove id like to hear? since u then obv shoving ur nuts too i suppouse
u haz 40% AI EQ or 20% to turn , but for shoving u need huge fold equity which rarely gonna happen especially after he raises and alrdy reps value and mb some players some few aditional bluffs too but still not enough id think.. for shove u need 50%+ EQ and even with straightflush draw u rarely haz dat.. so even dat is not ok shove.. and if SF draw not gut , dis not gut to
plus hiz sizing iz like four fekin ex
iz gonna be 2P+ most of time especially cuz iz rainbow... nub players dont realize dat they no nid protection there and still raise it
They still need protection against any 2,4,7,8 potentially. Dont underestimate the amount og gutters bb could have in his overcalling range.
My question what would you overcall against this raise except for sets? I feel like my possible raising and calling ranges are nearly identical here.
Really rare spot, + multiway. I believe balancing in this spots is quiet unneccesary and no GTO solver will give you much of a plausible range to continue with.
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