Playing in the fishiest games , but losing
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Playing in the fishiest games , but losing
Hello all,
Just making this post cause lately I've been playing in super fishy games on this website, but over the course of 7k hands I've lost about 15 buy ins . I know 7k hands is a pointless sample. But 15 buyins over just 7k hands just seems way too much and on top of that these games are ridiculously fishy.
An average table has maybe one semi okay player with stats like 25/15/3 and the rest are just 55/4's , 60/10s, 34/2's, and such.
I'm playing simple ABC poker , with semi balance to not just nit it up (mainly good check back range, occasional double barrel bluffs, rare triple barrel). My expectations were high in hopes of getting 10/15bb per 100 hands, but these past 7k hands are just crushing me . I would like to think its just normal variance , but doesn't seem like it. I have a bad feeling that this website is rigged in bad players favor or just rigged in general ( I've gotten two royal flushes within an hour of playing 2 tables and just an unusual amount of quads), but I'm just gonna ignore that for now .
It's like when I have a good hand , I get sucked out on, opponent folds, or bad cards come and I have to fold , or I just don't hit at all , and my c bet flop bluff and occasional turn cbet bluff lose huge amounts of money.
The root of these problems I think are that pots are multi way like 4/5 times and it's like impossible to isolate. There could be 4 limpers and im in the BB with AA and i make it 6x the bb and I get like 2-3 callers all the time with a cold calling range of like 40-50 percent.
Also if I nit it up and play fit or fold in these multi way pots , I get zero action (players already know I'm tight because the website provides its own hud) and i feel my redline just drops while blue line doesnt move. I wish I could play a balanced strategy using PIO , but the strategies for super wide ranges is hard to play compared to someone who cold calls 4-5 percent of hands and also PIO isn't used for multi way pots.
Any advice? There's not many videos to watch for these specific players, sites like stars has mainly okay regs and one 35/20 on a table. But this site is just literally all fish. And these fish pre flop ranges are obviously terrible , but post flop they aren't just passive calling stations, they apply pressure on scary boards and check back ranges .
tl ; dr I'm playing against players with stats like 50/6/2's and Im losing money. My redline is dropping terribly and blue line as well.
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So you are saying you can't figure out how to beat tables with plenty of fish playing loose preflop?
Things are not looking good for you mate.
Also variance will be higher when you play deep, and I'm pretty sure the games you are playing run 200-400bbs deep all the time. If you know for sure you are a proven winner, there is nothing to worry about a 15bi downswing. However, judging by your post, I would say you aren't a proving winner.
Playing poker is a lot about confidence. Confidence allows you to have consistency in tough times. But here you are, saying that the site is rigged after losing on a 7k hand sample, and then asking for advice on how to beat loose fish.
Study more mate. Just because a game is soft, it doesnt mean you shouldn't be improving your game.
GL <3
I know where the fish room all times the average vpip is 50%! hold'em, PLO, OFC. First stack's on me. If interested, I'll tell you more.
Do you have entitlement tilt? Do you think you should just be able to beat these guys no matter what and are just expecting to win every time? Do you have residual tilt built up from playing previous sessions? It sounds like you need to spend some time away from the table. See how these guys react to 3-bets pre-flop. If they are playing loose and crazy then value bet the hell out of them. It makes sense to tighten your range. These, however, are not games you can lose in.
Forget balancing.
Forget double barrels bluff.
Forget all, start value bet big vs these kind of opponents
GL
totally agree & consider 1st reply in this post from Saulo
A lot of this sounds assumptive, I'd get a DB first and confirm what you're saying is true - actually this should give you a lot of the answers you're looking for.
Otherwise as people have mentioned here, value betting well and good bluffcatching efficiency with a good blueprint strat for your pool (emphasis) is the way to go.
Also as Saulo mentioned variance is likely to be high playing that deep, with that many spazzy players.
As a starting point I think you should start to think about what you said and try and empirically assess the whether there's distortion in your belief system:
The root of these problems I think are that pots are multi way like 4/5 times and it's like impossible to isolate. There could be 4 limpers and im in the BB with AA and i make it 6x the bb and I get like 2-3 callers all the time with a cold calling range of like 40-50 percent.
From there developing a strategy and sticking with things you're sure of should allow you to have some confidence in your strategy during the dw. Once you understand your edge it makes it easier to have stable confidence when things aren't going well.
Hope you make it bro
Filter all the losing hands that go to showdown, mark every hand that you find confusing in one way or another and post some of those hands to NLHE section. That would be a good start.
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